Indian Kanoon - Search engine for Indian Law

Lok Sabha Debates

Consideration Of The Constitution (Ninety-First) Amendment Bill, ... on 21 August, 2001

Title: Consideration of the Constitution (Ninety-First) Amendment Bill, 2000(Amendment of Articles 55, 81, 82, 170, 330 and 332) 16.48 hrs. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We shall now take up item no. 11.

SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN (CHIRAYINKIL): Sir, it is the Constitution (Amendment) Bill. Can it be passed in this House? What is the position? It is an amendment to the Constitution and not an ordinary Bill. You should not do it like this. … (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Radhakrishnan, we are yet to go through the procedure.

SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN : We cannot do it casually. That is what I want to tell you. This is an amendment to the Constitution. It has to be taken with all the seriousness and also by following the procedure that is to be adopted before amending the Constitution. Merely by moving and passing it is not sufficient and that is not proper also. The hon. Minister of Law and Justice is here. He is in the know of the things. He knows things better than me. Why should I tell this to him? He can very well understand. I need not tell him. He should not take it up casually. That is all that I want to submit here. … (Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF SHIPPING (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): Sir, I beg to move :

"That the Bill further to amend the Constitution of India, be taken into consideration."

Sir, as part of the forty-second amendment to the Constitution, certain provisions of the Constitution were amended as a result of which the number of seats on the basis of population was frozen on the basis of the 1971 Census. All elections thereafter, both for the Lok Sabha as also the State Assemblies, have been on the basis of the 1971 Census. The number of seats has remained the same and the delimitation of constituencies has been on the basis of the 1971 Census. These provisions, which were amended by virtue of the Constitution amendment, also had a provision which inter alia mentioned that the said delimitation processes and those population figures will be construed, until the relevant figures of the first census taken after the year 2000 have been published, as a reference to the 1971 figures. Therefore, till the year 2000, the figure of the 1971 Census was to be taken into consideration. Now, we have crossed the year 2000 and we are in the year 2001. Therefore, both Houses of Parliament have a constitutional obligation to make a further provision in this regard.

1651 hours (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Sir, this particular Bill, therefore, seeks to amend six different provisions of the Constitution and the spirit of the amendment in totality of these six provisions, which have been amended, is that the number of constituencies as existing today on the basis of the 1971 figure will be frozen. The rationale for which the number of constituencies will be frozen and subsequent increases in population will not be taken into consideration while determining the seats for election to this House and also to the State Assemblies, essentially has been that there are some States which have implemented the family planning programme very effectively and there are some States where it has not been effectively implemented. The National Population Policy also envisages the year 2026 as the year in which the population of the country would stabilise. Therefore, what was true till 2000 is sought to be frozen till the year 2026, that is, the year in which we anticipate hopefully that the population figure in the country would stabilise. The effect of this amendment would be that the number of constituencies in each State, and therefore totally throughout the country, would remain as they are at present.

However, it has been noticed that on account of population growth which has taken place disproportionately in some areas, the constituencies have become odd-sized within the given States. So, while the number of constituencies in a given State would remain the same, in regard to their sizes which have become grossly uneven, there would be delimitation conducted and each one of these constituencies, as far as practicable, will be brought to even size. For instance, in the election in 1998, in Delhi, there was one constituency of Outer Delhi which was having 29.3 lakh voters while there was another constituency of Chandni Chowk which was having only 3.7 lakh voters. So, the difference of size between the two constituencies was such that one was almost eight or nine times larger than the other. Therefore, the first two principles are that as far as the number of Lok Sabha seats is concerned, the seats will be frozen at the present figure and the number of seats in the State Assemblies will be frozen at the present figure. But within the States, there would be delimitation and subsequent to the passage of this Constitution (Amendment) Bill, there has to be a specific legislation, the delimitation law, under which the process of delimitation would be undertaken so as to make all constituencies, more or less, of similar sizes.

The last limb of the amendment which is being sought to be brought about is relating to articles 330 and 332 with regard to the seats which are going to be reserved for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes. That reservation would also have to be updated, that is, in proportion to the population of these two particular communities, the reservation would also be updated on the basis of the 1991 Census. The precise distinction which has been made throughout, therefore, is that the number of seats is frozen as they were on the basis of the 1971 Census, and the adjustment of constituencies and the change in the number of SC and ST constituencies would be on the basis of the 1991 Census. The reason why we have taken the 1991 Census and not the 2001 Census is that the anticipation is that the figure of 2001 would be accurately available only towards the end of 2002.

If we waited till that date before we brought these changes and if the process of delimitation starts thereafter, then it takes time because it is a long process. This time the time expected to be taken is much lesser. For instance, on the last occasion, it was done after 1971. It was notified in 1972 and it was completed in 1976. But this time the exercise is a little smaller because the number of seats would not increase. It is only the distribution of seats which is to be done. Also, with more modern gadgets of information technology -- computers are available now -- the process would be faster. So, there may be some reduction in time. The anticipation is that if we approve this Amendment now and thereafter the Delimitation Bill, perhaps, the next anticipated elections could be, as far as possible, attempted to be on the basis of the last confirmed figure of the Census which is available, which is 1991.

These are the various ingredients. Article 55 deals with the Presidential Election and the quotient of each State with regard to the Presidential Election. Article 81 deals with the election to the Lok Sabha. Article 82 deals with the readjustment of constituencies to make them even-sized. Article 170 deals with elections to the State Assemblies. Article 330 deals with the question of Reservation of seats for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the House of the People, and similarly Article 332 deals with the question of Reservation of seats for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the Legislative Assemblies of the States. These are the consequential changes on account of the spirit of this Constitution Amendment.

I propose to this hon. House that this Constitution Amendment Bill be taken up for consideration and approved by this hon. House.

(ends) MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved:

"That the Bill further to amend the Constitution of India, be taken into consideration."

The time allotted for discussion is three hours. Shri Shivraj V. Patil, 38 minutes time has been allocated for your Party.

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL (LATUR): Sir, there are three objectives that this Bill seeks to achieve, and it has been very lucidly explained by the hon. Minister.

The first objective is to freeze the number of the Members in the Lok Sabha and the Legislative Assemblies. This was done in 1976 and now it is again tried to be done for a period of about 25 years to come.

My Party has no objection to this kind of provision. As a matter of fact, the Congress Party has decided to support this Bill in its broad outline. But I am on my legs today before this august House to make some submissions. These are my own, and they have nothing to do with my Party. As a disciplined member of the Party, I will stand by the directives given by the Congress Party.

I do not find that the logic which is adopted to frame this Bill is not totally wrong. But I have my own views and I am submitting these views to this House to be used, if possible, to amend this Bill now and, if it is not possible, later on, if possible.

The first objective is to readjust the constituencies. It is rightly said that some constituencies are too big, some constituencies are small, and readjustment of constituencies is necessary and it has to be done. It does not require any more comments.

The second objective is to freeze the number of the Members. On this point, I have to make some observations on my own behalf. What was the population in 1975? It was nearly 70 crores. In 2001, we are about 100 crores, and in 2026, we would be nearly 140 crores. The hon. Minister says that the population will stabilise in 2026.

17.00 hrs. Sir, I find it very difficult to accept this optimism. In 1976 it was thought that the population may not increase because of this provision. But population has increased and has reached a figure of nearly 100 crore and more. What is the guarantee that population would remain where it is today? I find it very difficult to accept this logic. To think that because the number is frozen, population will not increase is not correct.

Sir, the State of Rajasthan has passed a law which provides that if a citizen has more than two children then, he or she will not be allowed to contest in elections to the District Body, in elections to the Talukas and in elections to the Gram Panchayats.

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU (SRIKAKULAM): Such provisions are there in Andhra Pradesh also.

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Yes, it is there in Andhra Pradesh also. So, if you want to control population, a law of that kind is going to be more effective than this kind of law. I do not understand the logic adopted by the Government. Now, in the Statement of the Objects and Reasons of the Bill it has been stated that as part of the National Population Policy Strategy recently decided to extend the current freeze on undertaking fresh de-limitation up to the year 2026 as a motivational measure. What kind of a motivational measure? This logic is not acceptable. Whom are we trying to hoodwink? This is not correct. Something else is required. If any law that could be helpful in controlling population is required, then a law like disallowing a person to contest elections if he or she has more than two children will be more useful than a law of this kind. The Government is proposing a law on a logic which is not acceptable and is also not correct. It is not scientific. I am not saying that I am opposing this Bill. I am saying that the logic adopted by the Government in framing this Bill should not have been adopted.

Sir, the number of Members in the Lok Sabha in 1976 was 545. The number of Members in the Lok Sabha in 2001 is 545 and the number of Members in the Lok Sabha in the year 2026 is going to be 545. Each Member of this Lok Sabha today represents more than ten lakh voters. In the year 2026, each Member of Lok Sabha would represent nearly 15 lakh voters. Even today there are constituencies where a Member represents nearly 30 lakh voters. I think, there are two constituencies, namely, the Outer Delhi Parliamentary constituency and the Thane Parliamentary Constituency which have nearly 30 lakh voters. How do you expect a Member of the Lok Sabha to help its voters and explain to them as to what a Government is doing? What would happen if in a real parliamentary and representative democracy one Member of Lok Sabha is expected to represent as many persons as some other countries have their population? There are countries which have about 20 lakh people and they have sixty to seventy Members of Parliament. But here one Member of Parliament is expected to represent nearly 30 lakh people. Is this correct?

Is this logic correct? I repeat that my party is going to support this measure. I am going to vote in favour of this legislation. However, I would like the hon. Minister and the Members of this House to consider whether there is any logic in freezing the number of Members of Parliament, if we really wish to have a representative democracy with the number of people living in the country growing by leaps and bounds. Is there any logic in this? In the United Kingdom, a Member of the House of Commons represents only seventy thousand voters. In India, a Member of the House of the People represents nearly seven lakh voters on an average. Why should this not be considered and altered?

There are objections to this kind of a proposal and I understand that. As the representatives of the people looking after the entire country, we have to take into consideration the objections raised by some of the States. One of the objections raised is that a State which has implemented family planning programme in a proper manner and restricted the increase of its population, would be in a disadvantageous position if the number of seats are allowed to be increased on the basis of the population of a State. It would mean that those States which have implemented the family planning programmes in a proper manner would suffer. This is a very valid objection. We cannot brush it aside. But, it is not beyond human ingenuity to find a formula to do away with this kind of injustice, this kind of disparity, this kind of inconvenience, which would be caused to the States which implemented the family planning programmes in a proper manner. It can be possible for us to find a formula which can say that on the basis of increase in the population of a State that has implemented family planning programme in a proper manner, increase in the seats in other States should be allowed so that no State is allowed to have an advantage over any State that has implemented the family planning programme in a proper manner. It can be possible. But, I think this issue has not been considered. If it had been considered, it would have been proper.

Sometimes the objection taken is – if you increase the number of Members in the House of the People, the increased number will be too big and it will not be possible for us to provide the seats for the Members to sit in the House. May I submit that the number of Members of the House of the People in India is 545. China is a country which can be compared with India in this regard. The population of China is nearly equal to that of India. It is only these two countries which can be compared with each other as far as population is concerned. What is the number of Members sitting in the Peoples National Congress of China? It is three thousand. What kind of a parliamentary arrangement do they have? … (Interruptions) Let us not laugh at it. Let us consider it sincerely. If any one has any objection, he can raise it. But let us not laugh at it. Let us not brush it aside simply because it is done in China. That will not be a correct approach. As far as population is concerned, India can be compared only with China and with no other country in the world.… (Interruptions)

SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN (BALASORE): Their House meets only for two days in a year.

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Sir, the hon. Member can make a point if he likes. I have already said that I am supporting this Bill. I am putting a point forward for consideration of Members. The Member need not be impatient to rebut what I am saying here.

I am saying that the highest body in China has three thousand members. I am not saying that the House of the People in India should have three thousand members too. The point I am making is that we should not be afraid of an increase in the number of Members of this House.

Some times, people ask and ask others also, "Where is the place for them to sit?" Well, for India to find a place for the Members to sit should not be difficult. It should not be difficult for the Union Government and the State Governments also. Even without spending a single pie, this building of ours can accommodate all the increased number of Members. This House can go to the Central Hall and the Rajya Sabha can come to this House. It is a simple solution. And, the activities in the Central Hall can go to the auditorium and the library.

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Shivraj V Patil, what about the Chair position then?

 … (Interruptions)

 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR): There will be more spacious Well.… (Interruptions)

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Then, they say, "where will be the time for the Members to speak?" Well, my stand has been that it is not proper for India to work for only 90 days or 110 days in a year’s time. Even the smaller countries like Germany have been working throughout the year. Germany is a country where the private enterprises are taking the responsibilities of providing facilities to people more than what India is doing, and yet with this kind of population and these kinds of situations in our country, we are working nearly for 90 days for 90 days. It is not correct. If we work for more days, it should be possible for us to work better. Then, it is said: "How would you maintain the decorum in the House?" Well, a small change, Sir, will really help this House and the Presiding Officers to maintain the decorum.

In almost all the Parliaments of the European countries, the Members do not speak from their seats. They speak from the podium. This simple change of asking the Members not to speak from their seats but to speak form the podium will certainly help us to have a better decorum in the House. These things are not beyond our ingenuity and beyond our capacity to manage. So, there should not be objections raised against these kinds of things… (Interruptions)

Sir, these are my views. My leader and my party are in consonance with the views which are contained in this Bill and we are going to support it. I am expressing these views for the present and the future considerations of this House.

Sir, the third objective which this Bill seeks to achieve is to readjust the number of Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe seats, and we support this. Our party supports this. We support this fully. It has to be done in accordance with the provisions in article 330 of the Constitution. We support it.

But I have two apprehensions in my mind and I am putting these two apprehensions before the hon. Minister and before this House for their consideration. One apprehension is that there would be an increase in the number of the Scheduled Caste seats but there may not be any increase in the number of Scheduled Tribe seats. So, there is no problem as far as the Scheduled Caste seats are concerned. There would be an increase. It is said that there would be an increase of about seven seats. Well, we welcome it. We want it. But this should not create some kind of misunderstandings between the people in our country. Well will it not be possible for us to commensurately increase the number of general seats also. My humble suggestion is that if seven seats are increased, they should increase only seven general seats. It will obviate the difficulty. It will help us to overcome this difficulty. It should be possible if it is acceptable to my leader, my party, their leader, their party and all other leaders in the House.

The second apprehension in my mind is that we are allowing the increase in the number of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribe seats. We are not putting any embargo on this number.

So, it will be allowed. As far as Scheduled Tribe seats are concerned, I think, there would not be any change, but in the case of Scheduled Caste seats, there will be a change. But we are not allowing any increase in the general seats. I apprehend that this kind of disparity may be challenged in a court of law, on the ground of discrimination. What would be the judgement of the Court, I do not know. There would be certain other points which will be considered, like increase in population. You are allowing an increase in the number of seats as far as the Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe seats are concerned and you are not allowing the same kind of increase in the general seats. This may be challenged. And if this is challenged, how would you overcome it? That is the question. I know that the courts have decided that there can be a formula adopted to help the disadvantaged people in the society; and that is why, this principle should not be applied. But here, you have already helped them with this and you are not helping the others.

My suggestion or my request to the hon. Minister is that we have to have a provision in the law itself which will not allow this law to be challenged in a court of law. I am not saying that you should be afraid of it, but I am saying that we have to find out some device which will not allow this law to be challenged in the court of law, and even if it is challenged, it should not be decided against the Scheduled Tribes and Scheduled Castes.

I have no more suggestions to make on this Bill. I have already said that this Bill is acceptable to my Party and we are going to support it; and thus, the job of the Law Minister is easy in this respect.

SHRI ANADI SAHU (BERHAMPUR, ORISSA): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

I stand to support the Constitution (Ninety-first Amendment) Bill, 2000. The affair of Constitution amendment has had a tortuous course. Sometimes it had hit dead ends and sometimes it went into blind alley. Now, of course, it has come after it was cleared by the Standing Committee on Home Affairs and we are discussing this matter here.

Before I go into the provisions of the Bill proper, I would like to submit that Shri Shivraj Patil has very eloquently put forth certain facts. On some of those facts I find some flaws and holes.

Again, before I go into the Bill itself, I would like to quote a Grecian Ode by Pindar, which says:

"Strive not, my soul, for an immortal life, but make the most of what is possible."

What is possible now has to be taken into consideration? The electoral reforms are a continuous process and we are on the way of making adjustments, which is a continuous process. We have to think of the continuous process that has to be gone into, in order to ensure that we have a certain number of seats in the Lok Sabha and a certain number of seats in the Legislative Assemblies, and the indirect election where the value of a vote is to be counted. So, as the hon. Minister has said very succinctly, six amendments are proposed in this Constitution Amendment Bill itself with a view to ensure that the seats are frozen. Once we think of freezing of seats, naturally we have to come to the population problem that is facing this country for the last fifty years.

May I, Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your permission, go into the National Population Policy which was introduced by the NDA Government in the year 2000? The National Population Policy has indicated that the total fertility rate should be brought down.

As Shri Shivraj Patil said, the replacement level has to be 2.1. If you have replacement at 2.1, it would be possible to attain the population replaceable growth level of the year 2026, to ensure that we do not have more people in this country. That is why, in this amendment Bill itself, the year 2026 has been indicated. It is a fact that there is disproportionate number of voters indifferent constituencies. I invite the attention of Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev to his constituency of Silchar where the total number of voters is eight lakhs whereas in Delhi, you have 30 to 35 lakh voters in one constitutency.

So, there are disproportionate number of voters. The people from the rural areas are coming to the urban areas. You would kindly see from the UNDP statistics which have been provided that in 1975, the urban population of India was 21.3 per cent of the total population whereas in 1999, it has gone up to 28.1 per cent. About seven per cent increase is there due to the exodus from the rural areas to the urban areas.

Moreover, the total fertility rate (TFR) was 5.4 in 1971-72. It has come down to 3.3 in 2000. But 3.3 is not ideal. As I said earlier, it has to be 2.1. Till now, nearly nine States in India have 2.1 fertility rate which is the required ideal rate for replacement levels. Fourteen States have 3 per cent fertility rate. The delinquent States are five including my State. They are Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, and Orissa. It is good that in Rajasthan some sort of steps are being taken to control the population growth. But these five States are recalcitrant States or delinquent States which have been creating problems for the entire country itself. These five States account for 44 per cent of the population of the country. The growth rate in these five States is about 4.4 of the TFR. If that is the thing, then it would create problems for us. Keeping that in view, this Constitution Amendment has been thought of.

Now, when we are thinking of the population, the population policy which has been envisaged by the NDA Government has three objectives in mind. One is the immediate objective; second is the medium term objective; and the third is the long term objective. I am not going into the details of those objectives. The first objective is to see that the population is controlled. When you are thinking of controlling population, we have to think of the re-production level of women, literacy, malnutrition, nutrition itself, and so many other factors which have been indicated in the national population policy itself.

I need not go into the details of what has been indicated in the Constitution (Amendment) Bill. But the Statement of Objects and Reasons, as Shri Patil has very clearly indicated, would create confusion. That is the matter which will come up at the time of de-limitation itself. Article 327 of the Constitution of India talks about de-limitation. That was done in 1972. It almost took four years. After this Constitution (Amendment) Bill is passed, the De-limitation Commission will be set up and they will take up the matter. In taking up the matter, the De-Limitation Commission may come across certain difficulties. It is my personal opinion that one difficulty will be in regard to Article 81(2)(a) which says:

"there shall be allotted to each State a number of seats in the House of the People in such manner that the ratio between that number and the population of the State is, so far as practicable, the same for all States; "

I do not know how it would be possible to have it same for all the States because in one State, the population has gone up very high and in another State it might have gone down as has happened in the case of Kerala. So, it would be very difficult. But that will come up during the De-Limitation Commission’s deliberations.

Since this is a matter which has to be taken into consideration. I thought it would be proper on my part to indicate it now, so that confusion does not come at a later stage.

So far as the Statement of Objects and Reasons is concerned, as Shri Shivraj Patil has said, reservation for the Scheduled Castes – not the Scheduled Tribes because in the case of Scheduled Tribes there is no difficulty at all – may create a number of problems. In some States – I would not name them – the total number of people in the Scheduled Caste category has gone down. In some other States it has gone up. But, since you are freezing the number of seats in the States, I do not know in what manner all these problems can be solved.

I only give instances of the SC and ST population as it stood in the year 1971 and in the year 1991. As against the total population of 548 millions in 1971, the SC population was 80 millions which accounted for 14.50 per cent of the total population. The ST population was 39 millions and this accounted for 6.9 per cent of the total population. In 1991, the total population of India was 846 millions of which 138 millions were of the SC category which accounted for 16.33 per cent. So, what was 14.50 per cent in 1971 has become 16.33 per cent in 1991. In the ST category, as against 39 million people in 1971, in 1991, their number has gone up to 68 millions and the percentage to 8.08.

So, I do not know how it would be possible to look into these problems. As we say, in the case of ST, only the largest has to be taken into consideration when reservation is made. But, insofar as SC is concerned, larger number of people has to be taken into consideration. This may create problems at the time of the delimitation of constituencies.

The second point which needs to be thought of is about rotation. The Dinesh Goswami Committee had taken the rotation part into consideration in the year 1991. But this 91st Constitution (Amendment) Bill is not taking into consideration this aspect of the 71st Amendment Bill. It may be necessary to have some sort of rotation once we think of the larger number of people in a particular constituency belonging to the Scheduled Castes. If there is a change in the demographic pattern of the Scheduled Castes vis-à-vis the general caste people, naturally some rotation has to be thought of. That has not been properly spelt out now. This would require a little bit of thinking when we go into this Bill.

Before I conclude, I have to say that we have to come together to see that the population does not grow; that by 2026, as we have been very optimistic in bringing this Bill, the replacement level remains the same; and that there are not more number of mouths to feed than what has been thought of today for the year 2026. For that matter, the growth rate has to be confined to two per cent of the population. We can confine it to that level since our life expectancy has gone up and the mortality rate has gone down because of the population policy, because of the advancements and developments made in the field of health, etc. Infant mortality rate has also gone down. We have introduced a number of projects to see that the people have a very good healthy life. With this kind of healthy life and the low morality rate, the reproductive state of people should be good. Therefore, what is required is a commitment from us, from this House, and from the people of India. The commitment has to be that the voluntary informed choice and consent for reproductive health services and family planning have to be adopted by all of us.

Only then it would be possible to freeze the number of seats and it would be possible to ensure that there is no difficulty in taking up the Constitution Amendments which are required from time to time. And it may so happen that we may give a little bit of more seats to the urban areas and less number of seats to the rural areas. If the development process goes in a steady manner, it may so happen that in another 20 years, people from the urban areas may also come to the rural areas. Of course, at that time, the younger generation who would be coming to Parliament would think of changing the process that we are setting today to ensure that more seats are given to the rural areas and proper readjustment is made.

When I conclude my speech, I would request that the population of India, which has grown five-fold compared to the three-fold population growth of the world, should be checked. How has it to be checked? We have to control our own system itself and a further very strict embargo has to be put in ensuring that the population does not grow. With these words, I support the Bill.

MR. SPEAKER: I have got the names of ten Members to speak as per the list and voting will be at 7.30 p.m. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I think we should reduce our speeches like the population…… (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir, it seems to be a logical extension of the decision, I believe, of all the parties. It appears from the Committee’s Report that the status quo is to continue. Of course, there is one view which Shri Shivraj Patil has said – the more, the merrier. But I do not envy the Speaker of the House of the People with 3000 Members. We need bigger Wells and we need a sturdier Speaker.

What is essential is a proper representation of the people. After all, this is a participative democracy. We should have a proper representation in the House. But functioning of the Parliament does not depend on the number but in the quality of participation. That is a matter which probably we should pay greater attention. I can understand the hon. Speaker going away to his Chamber instead of being faced with the situation that we are having. Unfortunately, and when I say unfortunately, there does not seem to be a much greater appreciation these days and probably, this is a matter which we must pay greater attention to than passing the Bills like so many Bills have been passed.

This freezing came in 1976 by Constitution (Forty-second Amendment) Bill. I had the occasion to be here. Hardly there was any discussion on that. Since then, I do not find any real study of the situation. Now, the Census of 2000 was mentioned. Can it not be given effect to? The census figures would be available towards the end of this year. Next year, I do not know how many elections are going to be held. Nothing will be done now. The only thing is reorganisation of the constituencies. Nothing will be done now. What is the necessity even to go into the 1991 census? Delimitation takes a long time. For some part, I was the representative from my party in the Delimitation Commission which also includes non-officials and Members of Parliament from those areas that are taken from States.

   

I had gathered some experience there as to how does it work. Of course, they try to work as objectively as possible. There was no reason to expedite it now. It could have been done based on the 2000 Census. Anyway, I am not raising it as an issue of confrontation. Let us not try to give an impression that through this Bill we shall be able to control the population. After all, nobody produces children on the basis of who will be representing his son in Parliament. I do not know why it is being repeated here. One could have understood the so-called justification then. In the Statement of Objects and Reasons it is stated that it was done to boost family planning norms. Of course, family planning is essential for this country. Everybody admits that, but no Government follows that. Dr. C.P. Thakur is in-charge of this, but he has not done anything towards this objective. I know a Health Minister who was in charge of family planning had lost his job because he had twelve children, and rightly so. The Statement of Objects and Reasons states:

"There have been consistent demands, both for and against undertaking the exercise of fresh delimitation. "

This is the great contribution of Shri Arun Jaitley. It further states:

"Keeping in view the progress of family planning programmes in different parts of the country, the Government, as part of the National Population Policy strategy, recently decided to extend the current freeze on undertaking fresh delimitation up to the year 2026 as a motivational measure to enable the State Governments to pursue the agenda for population stabilisation. "

What is this? He is trying to tell the people that it would help them in reducing the population. How will it help? Dr. Thakur, please tell us. Has the Law Minister discussed it with Dr. Thakur?

What is happening? What is the motivational measure? Please tell us. The Southern States have practised this more successfully. Now, comparatively, they would be losing some seats if it is done. Then, it would be a de-motivational measure. Is getting more number of seats a motivational measure or not? Nobody wants more people in this House because there would be problems of space, elections, etc., and the complexion of this House would be different. Therefore, the Government is adopting an ad hoc measure and tries to continue with the status quo. The Forty-Second Amendment Bill has come as a precedent for them. So, they are following it. The only change that has come about is that the year is changed from 2000 to 2026. The one good thing that I found in this Bill is that there would be a census in 2021 and we will get the results by 2026. Happily, I won’t be there at that time to trouble others. So, for the next twenty-five years it would continue. It is almost an exercise for the purpose of maintaining the status quo.

I suggest that the Government should be serious about this. I would have expected that the matter should have been discussed by the Law Minister as to how the Objects and Reasons would be fulfilled by this law. I do not know what are the steps that are going to be taken towards this; I do not know how it will help us; and I do not know what is the connection between the number of Members and the fertility rate in this country. This is only ad hocism and this is only to carry on the present state of affairs.

It seems that one should not bother about it. Some re-arrangement, fortunately, is going to be made. I hope something is going to be done. Shri Vijay Goel will be unhappy. His Chandni Chowk constituency may have a little more people. I do not know about Dr. Vijay Kumar Malhotra. But the outer Delhi people will be happy. Probably, they will be happy to shed some of their members. These are only peripheral things which have been happening. But we do not want to create a problem here. Let the Government get it through. But let them announce it here. The reply should be given by the hon. Health Minister also. Mr. Health Minister, do not just pass it on to him. I do not know as yet whether he is practising family planning or not.… (Interruptions) He is a young man. Let the hon. Health Minister tell us very positively about this. I am very serious about this issue.

Sir, we discussed the Golden Jubilee Celebration of India’s Independence.… (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: At least, after a long time, I think we are witnessing some humour in this House! SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Thank you. You may recall what happened. We had the privilege of being here when we discussed that issue. We had a Special Session for the Golden Jubilee Celebration of our Independence. We had the great distinction of being free from any party restrictions when we spoke. We all agreed that any hon. Member can say anything he liked, without any political or party consideration. The first common issue everybody spoke was about the need of population control. All the hon. Members who participated in that debate talked about this. The common refrain was, apart from the development of the country, the need of population control. We solemnly passed a unanimous Resolution. It was moved from the Chair. Shri Sangma was the hon. Speaker then. I believe, Sir, you were also there in the House. But then what happened? This is a way of saying that national commitment is there. But it is there only in a Resolution. Are we not concerned that we are now having more and more poor and illiterate people in this country?

Somebody is talking of the media lapse. I do not know where he is. Who is interested in the media lapse? Why does he go away when important matters are discussed. What is happening? I request the Government to tell us about it. Dr. Thakur, how many people are getting proper treatment in this country? How many people are getting jobs? You do not mind about it. This Government does not mind taking away jobs from the people. This Government is thriving on VRS. Therefore, these are matters which are not looked into. Mr. Minister, you are mentioning about population here for the sake of public consumption as if this Government is ever at all concerned about population measures. You are trying to give an impression that you are so concerned that it would provide motivation for family planning and hence you are bringing forward this Constitution (Amendment) Bill. That is your great concern for the Constitution! Of course, you have finished the basic structure already after Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi’s speech yesterday.… (Interruptions)

Today, the blessings of RSS were given to him as we find.… (Interruptions) Dr. Vijay Kumar Malhotra, do you not like the name of RSS? I am using the name which should be the mantra to you. Do you object to the blessings of RSS on DR. Murli Manohar Joshi who has faithfully carried out the principal policy of saffronisation. Shri Yerrannaidu, he has done it notwithstanding your objections to it. Your objections were thrown to the winds. Where is the DMK? Its objections were thrown to the winds. Not a single reference was made to your objections. This is a subject of purity in political life.

This is the subject. This is called political principle and morality, which are lacking in this Government. They are lacking in their sincerity to the importance of population control. You are only paying lip-service. This Bill will be passed. We shall also support this. But this Government shall spare us by getting out of the power.

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU : Sir, I stand to support the Constitution (Ninety-first Amendment) Bill, 2000. Six amendments are proposed in this Bill. There was a consensus in the meeting of the political parties held on 13th May, 2000 to put embargo and to freeze the constituency number in every State. We are the first to represent this case to the Union Government. The hon. Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Shri Chandrababu Naidu represented many times to the effect that status quo should be maintained.

In 1976, the then Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi amended the Constitution to bring in amendments in the National Family Planning Policy for freezing the constituency number. This Government is also continuing the same thing. Hence, we support this amendment.

The second amendment is regarding the uneven growth of population. Due to migration, some constituencies have a population of more than 15 lakhs or 20 lakhs or even 30 lakhs, some constituencies have two lakhs or three lakhs. So, we should start the task of bring in delimitation of constituencies as early as possible. There is a lot of demand about it not only from the public but also from the elected representatives. After passing this Amendment Bill, we have to again amend the Delimitation Act. The Delimitation Commission has to go into the uneven growth and migration of population to equalise all these constituencies.

According to the 1991 Census, we have to increase the SC and the ST constituencies. My Party would extend its support if it is done without increasing the number of seats. Once we put the ceiling, beyond that number, we cannot increase the seats for the SCs and the STs. Social justice depends on the population. We provide reservation under the Constitution of India. If they get two or three more seats out of the unreserved quota, there is no problem. We are very happy to give more seats for the SCs and the STs, according to the population.

We want to balance the population. But it is very difficult. Even though this is one of the measures, even some States have imposed some restrictions. For example, if you have more than two children, you are not eligible to context in the local body elections. Likewise, we can also bring in a provision for the MPs and the MLAs. … (Interruptions)

AN HON. MEMBER: Is it with retrospective effect?

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU : Not with retrospective effect but with prospective effect. Some State Governments have already passed a legislation to implement this with prospective effect. When some States are adopting that formula, why not we adopt for the Members of Parliament and the State Legislatures? If it is possible, I would suggest and request the hon. Law Minister, through you, to bring in such a legislation, which would also add to the reduction of population.

With all these suggestions, I support this Bill. The viewpoint of the State Government has been well taken by this Government. We fully support all these proposed Constitutional amendments.

SHRI ANANDRAO VITHOBA ADSUL (BULDANA): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Constitution (Ninety-first Amendment) Bill, on my own behalf and on behalf of my party, Shiv Sena. While supporting the Bill, I would like to seek some clarifications from the hon. Minister.

Now, we are adjusting the constituencies according to the population of voters and we are going in for rationalisation. As the hon. Minister has stated, according to 1971 Census our population was 70 crores and according to the forecast of the Government, in the year 2026 our population will be about 144 crores. But we are keeping the number of Members of this House and the Assemblies same. I could not understand the reason for this. So, I would like to get a clarification from the hon. Minister on this aspect.

Secondly, when we adjust the constituencies according to the population of voters, I think, there will be some administrative problems. For example, one constituency may be spread in three or four districts. An hon. Member may be a member of the District Development Committee in one district now, but when we amend the Constitution through this Bill, that hon. Member may be a member of the District Development Committee in three or four districts. Then, there will be a problem while distributing the fund through the MPLAD Scheme also. There are many Centrally sponsored schemes being implemented in the States and in that respect also we will face some administrative problems. In fact, we are already facing such problems in some places.

Thirdly, now there is a specification of a constituency that a Member is coming from a particular district. But in future, there will not be any specification and a Member may have to give some name other than the name of the district. I think, these will be the problems that we may be facing after passing of this Bill.

Sir, many hon. Members have supported this Bill. I also support this Bill, on behalf of my party.

SHRI A. KRISHNASWAMY (SRIPERUMBUDUR): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support this Bill, on behalf my party, D.M.K. The allocation of seats of Lok Sabha was made on the basis of the Census taken in the year 1971. According to 1991 Census, there was a decline in the rate of growth of the population in the State of Tamil Nadu. Due to decline in the rate of growth of the population, earlier there was a proposal to decrease the number of Lok Sabha constituencies in our State. So, the people of Tamil Nadu were against the policy of the Government. Even our former Chief Minister, Dr. Kalaignar Karunanidhi was against this policy, which was brought about by the Central Government at that time.

He agitated and requested the hon. Prime Minister to stop the proposal to decrease the seats and to make it as it has been there.

Our TDP leader, Shri Yerrannaidu, spoke very well. I appreciate his speech. When we decide about the seats, we have to make the policy about family planning compulsory. Tamil Nadu is number one State in following the Government’s policy for implementation of family planning. Instead of giving a reward for that, they are trying to punish us by declining the seats. It is an injustice. I would request the hon. Minister to implement the policy for family planning on a compulsory basis in the case of all communities and religions. This is a good policy. The Minister should take it forward. Otherwise, one religion will be thickly populated and another religion will be thinly populated One part of the country will be thickly populated while the other part will be thinly populated. We do not know how this Government will justify these facts.

You are increasing the seats according to the population. When you make a comparison of the SC and ST population in 1971 with that of today’s population, they were thickly populated. Now, according to the population of the SCs and STs, I demand that you raise the number of reserved seats for the SCs and STs. I also request this Government that the seats should not be decreased until 2026. These may be increased and not decreased. That is my request and also my party’s request.

SHRI T.M. SELVAGANPATHI (SALEM): Sir, I am grateful to you for having called me for the second time to speak on this important Amendment Bill. I wholeheartedly welcome the initiative taken by the present regime to obviate an important issue of delimitation. At the same time, I confine myself to raising some of the important issues connected with the present Amendment. After all, why has this Bill been brought forward before this august House? It is to put an embargo on taking fresh delimitation of the constituencies until the publication of the population Census by 2001, which is not possible now. Therefore, this Amendment has been brought forward. In a way, it freezes the Lok Sabha and the Assembly seats at the current level till 2026. The inherent object - we also see it in the objects of the Bill - is to boost the population control measures and to effectively carry out the family planning measures in tune with the national population policy. This is one of the most important objects.

But what had happened in 1976? The same Amendment was carried out. The object stipulated at that point of time was also the same. It took nearly 25 years. After the expiry of these 25 years - now, we are in 2001 - we could not achieve it.

18.00 hrs. Now, we are protecting it for another 25 years, till 2026. The same freeze was done in the Constitution (Forty-Second) Amendment Act, the same embargo was carried out in it. After 25 years, we could not effectively implement a very important measure concerning the entire nation.

India"s economy cannot be sustained unless we have an effective population control. This we have been echoing right from the days of Independence. But now, we come with another amendment that we are not able to do the delimitation till 2026, which amounts to saying that we will not be able to control the population figure till 2026. Where our past experience is that we have not effectively carried out, though the people from some of the Southern States like Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala and Karnataka benefit out of this Bill.

If this Bill is not passed, we would be placed in a very precarious situation of losing many number of seats in the Lok Sabha as well as in the Assemblies. If this Bill is not passed the Southern States, that is, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Karnataka would be losing a sizeable number of seats in the Lok Sabha. Whereas the States in the Northern region, the BIMARU, that is, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh would be gaining more seats. Their seats will go up to 219 from 204, whereas we will be giving up almost about 16 seats, if this present situation continues till 2026 and if this Bill is not passed.

I would like to point out that the suggestion made by Shri Shivraj V. Patil is confusing and will put the matter in a much worse situation. The reason being when learned Shri Shivraj Patil suggested ways and means of expanding the Parliament, increasing the number of seats and to maintain decorum, he was unable to point out how the seats of the States, which sincerely, impressively follow the population control, can be increased in the Lok Sabha. He is not able to give any suggestion in that regard. There is no solution to that.

MR. SPEAKER: That is only a suggestion. You may or may not take it.

SHRI T.M. SELVAGANPATHI : So, what kind of a measure or what kind of a solution you will have to provide and solve the problem.

The States in the Southern region are sincerely and wholeheartedly following the population control measures. There are laudable measures which these States have taken. Are they to be penalised just because they sail with the policy of the Government? Are they to be punished? This is the moot question, which haunts our minds.

As far as we are concerned, we will stoutly oppose any move that would reduce our representation in the Lok Sabha. We will stoutly oppose any method that would bring down our representation in the Lok Sabha. Therefore, unless otherwise the Government have a holistic approach on the National Population Policy, unless the Government effectively implements it, this problem cannot be solved.

The Constitution (Forty-Second) Amendment Act, which has already been passed and after this Amendment in 2001, again the whole thing will be back to square one. In 2026, the same situation will be prevailing and the status quo will continue. The hon. Minister of Health is here. He should spell out what kind of measure he has got for population control. What kind of incentives they are going to give to the States which effectively follow the population policy.

Now, on paper we say that this is the measure to motivate the States to control the population. Sir, it is only on paper. No State is aiming seriously to have a control over the population. They have so many other things. More than the demographical calculation, there is a political link. We should not be penalised on any account. This is one point.

Secondly, there has to be a uniform policy, a uniform measure and a uniform method by which the population can be controlled and contained by all the States. The Central Government should take initiative in this regard. One State is effectively following it and the other is not intending to follow any control. I want to know as to what measure you are going to have it, what are the checks and controls that you are going to have on that State. When a State is not able to conduct the Panchayat Raj election, you are cutting the funds, which are released, from the Government of India. Why do you not think of such a measure? We can have a law saying that for becoming a Member, if a candidate who has got more than two children would not be allowed to contest the election. Likewise, there has to be a legal embargo. There has to be a stringent law to effectively implement the population control. Otherwise, the status quo will continue in the year 2026 as well.

Sir, I would like to point out certain initiatives, which we have taken in our State. If this amendment is not passed in 2026, the State of Tamil Nadu will be losing 11 seats out of 39 seats. Is this the price which we are going to pay? Is this the award which you are going to give to such a State? Sir, in Tamil Nadu, suppose a couple limits their children to two female kids. On the date of birth, a sum of Rs. 20,000 is deposited in the name of the child if it is one female kid, and if they have two female kids, then each kid is given a sum of Rs.15,000 by way of a deposit, and after the children become major, they can use it for their marriage or for higher education. The Government of India should support this type of incentive. This type of incentive should be enforced on other States as well. Unless the law is stringent, the status quo will continue.

Our apprehension is that this amendment should not be brought forth in 2026 again. Therefore, I urge upon the Government to have a clear-cut population policy and a uniform population policy to strive fearlessly and effectively pursue the agenda with regard to population control. Our point is that the progress of implementation of family planning should be uniform throughout the nation irrespective of what State and which religion they belong to. Therefore, the Government should come out with a uniform policy for all the States.

Sir,I conclude.

SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (SILCHAR): Mr. Speaker, Sir, at the outset, I strongly oppose my friend Shri Selvaganapathi’s suggestion that persons with two children should only be allowed to contest the election. Sir, I have got four daughters. It should be prospective and not retrospective.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, our very smart and handsome Minister, and a personal friend of mine, has said in his introductory speech that this is what is going to stabilise population in 2026. I started calculating as to what would be my age at that time. I would be about 96 years. Already in my constituency, my political opponents are saying that I have become old because I am now 67 years. So, I will not be there in 2026, and my party may not give me the ticket after some time, but the Minister will be there. I would request him to write a postcard to me at that time as to what the population is.

What Shri Selvaganpathi has said is right. The article here says that after 2026, in Andhra Pradesh, the number of constituencies will reduce from 49 to 39. In Tamil Nadu, it will come down from the present 39 to 31. In Karnataka, from 28 it will become 27. My friend from Kerala is very rightly annoyed because in Kerala, 20 will become 16. That is the incentive in this Bill. So, it should have been drafted very carefully. I do not know what is the average number of children your Cabinet Ministers have. But I must say the Cabinet Secretary has not done a very good job. The reason being today we cannot but ought to extend the situation. If you open the Pandora’s box of re-organising and re-orienting the constituency, there will be a serious situation all over the country. Already you must be reading the articles regarding both the States of Uttranchal and Jharkhand which have been reconstituted. Even the situation might come to that position as is being done by the Election Commission. Some of the States may be overlapping Jharkhand as well as the existing States. It may overlap the position in Bihar and in U.P. also. So, this is really a big problem.

I have got eight editorials. I collected just for the sake of interest. Almost all of them have supported this. But they have said that it is not a foolproof method. But one lady journalist—I am sure you know her—has written that you should do some exercise on gender basis. If you do something on gender basis, it will serve two purposes. Yesterday our Prime Minister has said in a meeting before the ladies that you reduce your demand, then only we can act on your demand. Like that, she has also suggested that this is an opportunity. After the delimitation, the constituency where there are more ladies should go to them irrespective of whether it is reserved for SC or OBC or for anybody. The other constituencies should go in different manner.

Again another editorial has criticised the Government very badly, and said that this Government is only creating confusion in the country. They are not solving any problem. It is not a Congress paper. It is also a paper which originally supported you. Probably, after the India Today, she has changed her mind and she is telling this. Now, the question is that either today or tomorrow you have to do delimitation. You cannot avoid this for days together. We had also avoided that when we were in Government. You are also avoiding. This is why we are supporting you on this cause. We have no other alternative. But I think some high-powered committee should be constituted and basically something should be done.

We cannot encourage population to go on like anything. We cannot also say that those who have controlled the population should be discouraged. No, it should not be done. I do not know my Party’s opinion but I think, in my opinion, you have to keep some economic criteria. Those who are taking money from the Planning Commission, those who utilise properly and those whose achievements are much better can get better incentive than others. I come from an area. Some time I differ with my colleagues. They say North-Eastern States are neglected. But whether we utilised properly whatever the money we have taken. If somebody just sees it or if you see that, the utilisation is very poor for which sometimes we feel shy to come and sit before you. But there are certain States like Arunachal Pradesh whose utilisation of Government funds is much better than many of the States in South and other places.

So, why should they not get the incentives?

Today, in Assam we are suffering because no panchayat elections have been held. When we go to Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu, the hon. Minister of Rural Development, we are unable to get funds because panchayat elections have not been held. He very frankly tells us that the panchayat elections were not held and so funds would not be released. It is also connected with the delimitation exercise. The Government that was there previously did not want to face the elections because the delimitation had been done in such a manner that they could not come to any conclusion. Our population pattern is that we have Hindus, Muslims, Assamese and also the tribals. This pattern itself creates a situation where it cannot be done easily.

On behalf of my party, I support this Bill. For a change, we will give our full support. We will stay up to 7.30 p.m. But do not take it that this is the beginning of supporting all your Bills. It is not so.

You have to give us something in your speech. I am sure, you would do so because I have known you. You must have something in your own mind. I am spelling out my views and you may also please for once tell us your views and the views of the Government on how the problems could be solved.

1817 hours (Dr. Laxminarayan Pandeya in the Chair) With these words, I support this Bill. I would very humbly request that something positive must be done whereby population growth is controlled and the purpose of delimitation is also served.

श्री था:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारचन्द गेहलोत (:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ााजापुर) : माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं ९१:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करता हूं और :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्त करता हूं कि माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा मंत्री जी ने इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक को प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;तुत करते हुए जो आ:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाा और :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा प्रकट कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें हम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाफल हो पाएंगे। मैं :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोचता हूं कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन में डलमिटे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध में जो प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान हैं, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर कार्र:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााई करने का मार्ग प्र:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;त होगा।

महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोजन प्रत्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोक जनगणना के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद करना चाहिए जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो हम उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकी ओर अग्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ार हो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकें। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन में मुख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :ड्डड्ढ;प :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान का अनुच्छेद ५५, जो रा:ण्;ट्रपति जी के नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध में है, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा रहा है। अनुच्छेद ८१ (१) जो लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांरचना :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांधित है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा रहा है। अनुच्छेद ८२ प्रत्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोक जनगणना के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोजन के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध में है। १७० (१) :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांरचना के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध में है जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा रहा है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ ही :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ अनुच्छेद ३३० और ३३२ लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा और राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााओं में अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जाति और अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जनजाति :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग के लोगों को आरक्षण देने के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध में है। चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी प्र:ित्हद्धद्ृ;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा में :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटरों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा में काफी अन्तर है - चाहे रा:ण्;ट्रपति के चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा को ले लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाए। जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कोई :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद आता है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा की जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा के आधार पर एक मापदंड तै:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाार कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाता है। :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह आज :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी अन:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौलें:द्ृद्धड्ड;ड है जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुधार करने की ज:ड्डड्ढ;रत है। कुल मिला कर २००० तक की जनगणना को आधार मानना चाहिए था लेकिन उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो माना नहीं जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकता। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कारण इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो २०२६ तक कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है। २००१ की जनगणना को माना जाता तो दो हजार तक की जो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात लिखी है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ात: व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्त हो जाती। ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्ृिद्धड्ड;थति में :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन लाना ज:ड्डड्ढ;री था। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके आधार पर २०२६ तक का मापदंड :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानेगा।

:िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल के उद्दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों में कहा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है कि अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जाति और जनजाति :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग की जो आरक्षित :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें हैं, उनको फिर नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ात कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकेगा लेकिन उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ात करने का क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा तरीका है? मैं :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह जानना चाहूंगा कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा में :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाृद्धि होगी :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि लोक:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा निर्धारित है। राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांघ राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों की ५३० + २० मिलाकर ५५० :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानती है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाृद्धि की कहां आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाकता है? :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान ५५० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो है और राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों की :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााओं के लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो अनुच्छेद १७० एक में कहा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है :

" कि राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााओं की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांरचना अनुच्छेद ३३३ के उप:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांधों के अधीन रहते हु:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो प्रत्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोक राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा की :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा की प्रादे:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाक नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन क्षेत्रों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो प्रत्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ष नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन द्वारा चुने हु:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो ५०० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो अनधिक और ६० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो अन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाून :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों को मिलाकर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानेगी "

अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीधे-:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीधे अर्थ :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह निकलता है कि :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा में ५०० तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा हो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकते हैं। अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी तक के:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाल उत्तर प्रदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा ही ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी है जहां ४०३ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा हैं, :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााकी कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा में नहीं है। उनमें :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो जाने की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ी गुंजाइ:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा है और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान के मुता:िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक में जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा रहा है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पढ़कर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुनाना चाहूंगा। :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान के अनुच्छेद १७० का ती:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारा परन्तुक है:

" :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह और :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् २००० के प:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;चात की गई जनगणना के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांगत आंक:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ें प्रका:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ात नहीं हो जाते, त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक प्रत्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोक राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा की :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा में :द्ृद्धड्ड;थान कुल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा का और इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा खंड के अधीन ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा के प्रादे:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाक नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन क्षेत्रों में :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााजन का पुन: :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोजन आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक नहीं होगा। "

अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;प:ण्;ट नहीं करता है कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा घट :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके तारतम्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा में अनुच्छेद ८२ के परन्तुक को पढ़कर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुनाता हूं:

" परन्तु :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह और :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् २००० के प:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;चात् की गई पहली जनगणना के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांगत आंक:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;े प्रका:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ात नहीं हो जाते, त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के लोक:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा में :द्ृद्धड्ड;थानों के आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ांटन होंगे। "

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति जी, मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;प:ण्;ट :ड्डड्ढ;प :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह जानना चाहूंगा कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा के लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;थान हैं, उनके लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ांटन :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;द नहीं है तो क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके आधार पर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान है कि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां ५०० तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा रखी जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती है। मैंने पहले ही कहा कि लोक:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा में जो निर्धारित :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां तक पूर्ति हो गई है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कुछ :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ने की गुंजाइ:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा नहीं है। ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााओं में :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने की गुंजाइ:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा है तो क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं?

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा में काफी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाृद्धि हो रही है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा का एक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाृद्धि करके दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ाोच्च :द्ृद्धड्ड;ात्ता पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठना चाहता है क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि हमारे :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां प्रजातांत्रिक व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;था है। :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो जानते हैं कि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट देकर अपना प्रतनधि चुनेंगे और :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह प्रतनधि लोक:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा में जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगा और उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके माध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ात्ता पर क:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;जा कर लेंगे। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कहा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके कारण जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाृद्धि दर पर रोक लगेगी। मैं आपकी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाहमत हूं लेकिन मेरा आप:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है कि जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाृद्धि पर रोक लगाने के लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो क:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;े कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो जाने की आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाकता है, :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाले ही दो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो अधिक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाच्चे :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाालों को :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा प्रतनधि के :ड्डड्ढ;प में न चुना जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो तो चलेगा। अगर इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह का कानून नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोंगे तो कुछ लोग इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा प्रौडक्:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान में लगे हु:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो हैं और खू:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तेज़ गति :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो उत्पादन कर रहे हैं। उनका :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा है कि आने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााले २०२६ के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद, आपकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़े :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा न :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़े, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो अपने प्रतनधि चुनकर इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा प्र:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ान पर क:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;जा कर लेंगे। माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा मंत्री जी अच्छे कानून:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाद हैं। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा खतरे :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो निपटने के लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह कोई ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोजना :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ों।

आपका रा:ण्;ट्री:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा और अन्तर्रा:ण्;ट्री:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;तर पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत अच्छा अध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ान है । मेरा आप:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दि:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाा में क:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;े कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो जाने चाहिए, नहीं तो जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा उद्दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें २०२६ तक का प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान कर रहे हैं कि कोई :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ेगी और जनगणना के आधार पर अगर जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ेगी तो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोजन हो जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगा ।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें मेरा एक और नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है कि लग:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाग २०-२५ :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;र्ाों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा और :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााओं के जो क्षेत्र :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाने हुए हैं, उनका परि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीमन नहीं हुआ है। :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह परि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीमन :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी अति आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक है । कई क्षेत्र :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाौगोलिक द्ृ:ण्ि;ट :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा लम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ो-चौ:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;े :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो हैं । ५०० किलोमीटर की लम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााई और ४०० किलोमीटर की चौ:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ाई के :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी क्षेत्र हैं । कुछ ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो क्षेत्र हैं जो मु:द्रिठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;कल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पांच-:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाात किलोमीटर की रेडि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में है । एक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ादी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा क्षेत्र ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा है जहां ३५ हजार मतदाता हैं और एक क्षेत्र ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा है जहां ३५ लाख मतदाता हैं । श्री पी.एम.:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाईद :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााह:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा का नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन क्षेत्र ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा ही है, जहां ३५ हजार मतदाता हैं । हालांकि :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाौगोलिक द्ृ:ण्ि;ट :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ौतरी नहीं की जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाारे उदाहरण हैं जै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो चांदनी चौक और :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााहरी दिल्ली का उदाहरण दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा । मुम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाई में एक ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ादी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा क्षेत्र हैं जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें १२-१३ लाख मतदाता हैं और एक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ादी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा क्षेत्र ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा है जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें ३२ लाख मतदाता हैं । इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो इनमें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा आनुपातिक अंतर है, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा अंतर को ठीक करने की आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाकता है । अंत में मैं :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करते हुए आप:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन करना चाहूंगा कि आप इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दि:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाा में प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा करें, कार्र:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााई करें और :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादि कानून में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन करना प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;े तो :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी करें ।

   

डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह (:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ौ:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ााली) : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन में ९१:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक पर :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार चल रहा है । उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें हमें ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा लगता है कि कुछ लोग :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोचे-:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझे कुतर्क दे रहे हैं । लोग :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझते हैं कि लोगों ने :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोजना :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानाई और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की कि ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा दो और क:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;जा कर लो । :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा दो, क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार हुआ है । ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा लोग कह रहे हैं । इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में कई छोटे राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी हैं । एक राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा है जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें एक एम.पी. है और एक राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा इतना :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा है कि उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें ८५ एम.पीज. हैं और कहीं पर द:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा एम.पीज. का राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी है । अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा छोटा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा कहेगा कि ८५ एम.पीज. :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला कै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा । राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों का जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा ढंग :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांट:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाारा हुआ है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी ढंग :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो ।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक ला रहे हैं । १९७१ की जनगणना का जि:त्हद्धद्ृ;ा करते हुए १९७६ में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन आ:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा २००१ में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक आ:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें १९९१ को ही आधार रखेंगे। कोई पढ़ने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला आदमी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ा:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा में २५ :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;र्ाों तक पढ़ेगा और कहेगा कि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्र्;ा २००१ में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन हुआ, लेकिन उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें जनगणना का आधार १९९१ माना ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा । १९७१ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाी:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाकर १९९१ कर दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ााऔर खतरे लिख रहे हैं। जनगणना का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााल उठा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोंगे। लोगों ने क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझकर कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझ में नहीं आती है कि क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा तर्क चल रहे हैं। रोना रो:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा रहा है, हमारे :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार में कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी पार्लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाामैन्ट्री कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीटुएं:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी में छ: अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ौम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हैं, उत्तर प्रदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में पांच अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ौम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हैं, कहीं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाात अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ौम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हैं, कहीं नौ अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ौम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हैं और कहीं १२ अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ौम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हैं । इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो हर जगह देखते हैं कि एक एम.एल.ए. कहीं दो लाख लोगों का प्रतनधित्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा करता है और हम लोग १०-१२ लाख :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट:द्ृद्धड्डर्;ा का प्रतनधित्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा कर रहे हैं । :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;ामता कै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो दूर होगी । :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:िद्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ान्न क्षेत्रों में कहीं कोई :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाात लाख लोगों का प्रतनधित्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा करता है, कोई ती:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा लाख का प्रतनधित्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा करता है, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी रै:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ानलाइज होना चाहिए और फिर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जहां की तहां होनी चाहिए । इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो २०२६ तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें फ्रीज रखी जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोंगी, लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाही रहेगी ।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी उत्तराखंड में :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की ती:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें हैं, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामे ७० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों का कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा तो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान और कानून एक तरह का रहेगा कि उन दोनों में कंट्राडिक्:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान है । इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका आपने कौन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा इलाज दिखा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है, कौन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है, :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;प:ण्;ट करि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो । जो राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें तो राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा का :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााजन नहीं था, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा जो जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा एम.एल.एज. की :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगी।

मतल:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कि उत्तर प्रदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के दो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााग हुए जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें २२ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ोम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाली की गईं उत्तरांचल में और हरिद्वार को मिलाकर ३० होंगी लेकिन अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी पा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हुए पुनर्गठन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक में ७० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों का प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) श्री था:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारचन्द गेहलोत : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान है।

डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : हमें मत :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाताइए। कानून मंत्री जी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पूछि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : था:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारचंद गेहलोत जी आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो।

श्री था:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारचन्द गेहलोत : मैंने अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी तो पढ़कर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा था कि ६० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कम नहीं होंगी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए करनी प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ीं। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने पर आपत्ति मैं नहीं कर रहा हूँ। मैं टैक्निकल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााल उठा रहा हूँ कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन आप कर रहे हैं तो पहले :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ऐक्ज़ि:िंद्ृद्धड्ड;टग जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें हैं उन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जाएंगी। तुरंत उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कानून में आपने :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा दीं। :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी लागू रहेगा :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा कानून हा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी रहेगा? माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा कानून मंत्री उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाको :द्ृद्धड्ड;प:ण्;ट कर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकते हैं कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर इन्होंने :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार-:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाम:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठर्;ा कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ही कानून लेकर चले आए हैं। :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााले लोग तो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीधे की उल्टी और उल्टे की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीधी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात करना जानते हैं। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन है, कोई ऐक्ट नहीं है कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा चाहे ले आएं। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) श्री था:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारचन्द गेहलोत : :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह गलत :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलते हैं और पक:ढद्धठ्ठह१२; में आते हैं तो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात टाल रहे हैं। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : के:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाल हमारा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण जमाने के लिए आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलते रहते हैं। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए हमारी :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ांका :द्ृद्धड्ड;प:ण्;ट करें जिन तीन राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों का :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांट:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाारा हुआ और उनमें जो :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई गई, :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो कहते हैं कि पुरानी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा में :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ोतरी नहीं होने देंगे, तो :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोधा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा है। जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें उनमें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ी हैं और जो कानून :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो लाना चाहते हैं कि कोई :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ोतरी नहीं होगी, उनमें :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोधा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा है। उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद डीलमिटे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान में दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ार में जो आरक्षित :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें हैं, उनकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा में कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :ड्डड्ढ;ल के अंतर्गत :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ जाएं तो कोई एतराज नहीं है। जनरली एतराज है लेकिन उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी हमें कोई एतराज नहीं है। फिर कुछ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें जो :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:ड्डड्ढ; :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आरक्षित हुईं और आज तक आरक्षित हैं, ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कौन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कानून है दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में? :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह मालूम नहीं प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ता है कि जो रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ा हुईं अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ोम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पार्लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाामेंट की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी तक कै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आरक्षित हैं। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कौन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कानून के अंतर्गत है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा गैर-कानूनी है, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कानून मंत्री :द्ृद्धड्ड;प:ण्;ट करें क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन करने जा रहे हैं। :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा लोग ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन कर रहे हैं तो हमने :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोचा कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाली पॉइंट उठा देना चाहिए। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण की द्ृ:ण्ि;ट :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार करें तो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोमनाथ दादा ने :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ांका जाहिर की थी कि उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;टेट की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ जाएंगी और घट जाएंगी, प्रतनधित्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ जाएगा, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण का कोई मतल:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा नहीं है। जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण अलग :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा है जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में आम आदमी को जानकारी देनी चाहिए कि उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका उपचार हो, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका उपा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा हो।

अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात कर रहे हैं कि चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा ल:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााले के लिए प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान होना चाहिए कि दो :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा एक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाच्चा रहे त:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा ल:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ने की इजाज़त मिले। अगर कुल मिलाकर १००० आदमी चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा जीतकर आते हैं और :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाच्चे पैदा करेंगे तो दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी पर उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका कोई खा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ार प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला नहीं है। कौन लोग ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो तर्क दे रहे हैं कि १०००-५०० लोगों के लिए ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कानून ला:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाए? तर्क का कुतर्क चल रहा है, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर मुझे घोर आपत्ति है। कहां की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात कहां जो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२; देते हैं? तमिलनाडु के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोल रहे थे तो उनको मान लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाूपी की ८५ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें थीं, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके दो राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा हो गए, फिर :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार था, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांट ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ४० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो १५ हो गई। उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें एकाध :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आते हैं जो २५००० :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो जीतकर चले आते हैं और हमें २० लाख लोगों में मुका:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाला करना प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ता है। कै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी इर्रै:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ानल :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात है? इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका कै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाधान होगा? एक तरफ रे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ानल :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात हो और दू:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारी तरफ इर्रै:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ानल? :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह लॉ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाी चलती है कि कुछ तमिलनाडु और आंध्रा प्रदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के लोगों के द:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा में राज चल रहा है तो उनकी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात कै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो अन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुनी करेंगे, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए जै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी हो, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ौ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ही :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन कर दीजिए।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं कहना चाहता हूं कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन में जो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक आए, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाद्धान्त पर आधारित होना चाहिए। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक आ:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाद्धान्त पर आधारित नहीं है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाूनीफार्म पालि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात नहीं है। हम इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो मानने के लिए तै:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाार नहीं हैं। लोक तंत्र में :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट का राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा है और :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकारें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानती और :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाग:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ती हैं। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा में कितनी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें रहेंगी, कितनी नहीं, :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां की जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर आधारित होना चाहिए। जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;तुत कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाूनीफार्म पालि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी पर आधारित नहीं है। चूंकि आपका :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुमत है इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आप :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाले ही पा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा करा लें, लेकिन :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह एक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामान न्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा के :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाद्धान्त पर आधारित नहीं है।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, एक :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाद्धान्त नहीं होने के कारण ही कहीं चार लाख की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी का राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा है तो कहीं १० और १५ करो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२; की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी है। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) आपकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार ने ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कोई काम नहीं कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो हमारा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन प्राप्त कर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद जी, अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा आप :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाप्त करिए।

डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, आपकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार ने कोई ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा काम नहीं कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो हम उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करें। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाद्धान्त:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहीन, पक्षपातपूर्ण और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााम्प्रदा:िद्ृद्धड्डढ;ाकता पर आधारित है। आप इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा को एकजुट करने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला, :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाद्धान्त :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम्मत कोई :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक लाएं, जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो हमारा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा आगे :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए मैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन क:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी नहीं कर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकता हूं। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाू, अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा आप अपना :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाप्त करिए, नहीं तो आपका :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण रिकार्ड में नहीं जाएगा। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए कृप:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठिए।

डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : हमें मालूम है :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााजपा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार में दलितों की क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :द्ृिद्धड्ड;थति है। :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांधुआ मजदूर की तरह जी रहे हैं। क:िढद्धठ्ठह१२;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा मुंडा आदि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी हैं, उनकी क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :द्ृिद्धड्ड;थति है, आप :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाको मालूम है। :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार में ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा नहीं है। :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा दलित :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम्मानपूर्ण जी:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ान जी रहे हैं। जै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा दलितों का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम्मान :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार में है :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ौ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााग में नहीं है :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाू, कृप:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठिए। मैं अगले माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा को :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलने के लिए कह रहा हूं।

डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं एक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात कहकर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाप्त कर रहा हूं। :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार में हमारे एक श्री राम:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूरत डोम हैं। उनके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ लालू प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ााद:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा ने एक ही :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौंच पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठकर चा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा पी। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आप अंदाजा लगा लीजिए कि :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार में दलितों का कितना :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम्मान है। ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी मि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााल हिन्दु:द्ृद्धड्ड;तान में आपको कहीं नहीं मिलेगी। जै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा दलितों और आदि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:िद्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों का :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम्मान है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ौ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कहीं नहीं है।…( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाू, अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा आपका रिकार्ड में नहीं जा रहा है। श्री प्र:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाुनाथ :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह।

डॉ. रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााद :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं इन्हीं :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;दों के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक का :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोध करते हुए अपना :द्ृद्धड्ड;थान ग्रहण करता हूं।

   

श्री प्र:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाुनाथ :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह (महाराजगंज, :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार) : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति जी, मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान (इक्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाान:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन) :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक, २००० का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन कुछ हलके-फुलके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुझा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ कर रहा हूं।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति जी, जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा मंत्री जी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक को प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;तुत कर रहे थे त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाता रहे थे कि :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह, १९७१ की जनगणना के आधार पर है और खा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकर के जो रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट हैं उनमें कुछ :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ोत्तरी के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात कही गई है। मैं माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा मंत्री जी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आपके माध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन करना चाहता हूं कि आखिर इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ला:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ा होगा, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाताएं क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि आप १९७१ की जनगणना को आधार मान रहे हैं और १९९१ के अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाार आप उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाको जो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२; रहे हैं। जो प्रतनधि :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां आते हैं, चाहे :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आते हैं, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा के आधार पर ही आते हैं और ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ोत्तरी होती है त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों को आप नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएंगे, तो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा फा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादा होगा। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए आप इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक को लाकर के:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाल कागजी फार्मेलिटी पूरी करने का काम कर रहे हैं। ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक डी-लमिटे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान नहीं कराएंगे, त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक कुछ :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाला होने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला नहीं है।

आप ही :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाता रहे थे कि दिल्ली में कोई कान्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाटीटु:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी २३ लाख की है, कोई दो-तीन लाख की है। आपके पा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाही :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट:द्ृद्धड्डर्;ा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं है, त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा इतनी है। हम आपको उदाहरण के तौर पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाताना चाहते हैं कि :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार और उत्तर प्रदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो काफी लोग मजदूरी करने के लिए दिल्ली में आते हैं और जहां तक हमको अंदाज है, पन्द्रह लाख :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा लोग उत्तर प्रदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा और :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहार :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आते हैं लेकिन :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटर लि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट में उनके नाम पांच लाख :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा नहीं होंगे। आप पांच लाख को मानते हैं त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा कहते हैं कि २३ लाख है। अगर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा जो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२; लेंगे तो अंदाज कीजिए कि कितने नाम :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट:द्ृद्धड्डर्;ा लि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट में होंगे। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक डीलमिटे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान नहीं कर:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााएंगे, प्रतनधि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों को :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ारा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ार का :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोझ नहीं देंगे और :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ारा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ारी की जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं होगी, त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कोई ला:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ा होने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला नहीं है।

जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण के :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा में चर्चा चली है। मंत्री जी, हम आपको :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाताना चाहते हैं कि जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा श्रीमती इंदिरा गांधी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की प्रधान मंत्री थीं, उन्होंने दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण के लिए काफी प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा किए थे। आज कोई :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ति, चाहे उनके पक्ष का हो :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ापक्ष का हो, उनकी प्र:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ानिक क्षमता पर प्र:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;न चिन्ह नहीं लगाता। लेकिन उन्होंने जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा ढंग :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कानून द्वारा जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण का प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा में इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कारण उनकी हार हुई थी और क:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;मीर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो लेकर कन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ााकुमारी तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााहा हो ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा था। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए क:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कानून के माध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण नहीं कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकता। हम :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह नहीं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझ पाते कि आप कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा आधार पर कह देते हैं कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् २०२६ तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा ठीक हो जाएगा। कहां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ठीक हो जाएगा, आपके पा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा आधार है? इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए कुछ मत कहिए। ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक आप लोगों में :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा अर्जित नहीं करेंगे, त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण नहीं हो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकता। हम :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए कह रहे हैं कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में एक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा है जो धार्मिक द्ृ:ण्ि;टकोण :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कहता है कि हम जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण में :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा नहीं करते और गां:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाों में कुछ दू:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारे :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा के लोग :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी हैं, जो :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कहते हैं कि आठ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाां पुत्र कृ:ण्;ण पैदा हुआ था। कहीं हमारा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी आठ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाां कृ:ण्;ण पैदा हो जाए त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा होगा। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह ठीक है कि गां:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाों में अ:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाक्षा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका कारण है, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो इंकार नहीं कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकता लेकिन लोगों में :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पैदा करना होगा। आप कहते हैं कि जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके दो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाच्चे पैदा होंगे, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाको राजनीति :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो अलग कर दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाएगा। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आप कितनी जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर रोक लगा लेंगे? इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो रोक लगने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााली नहीं है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए कहीं न कहीं हर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग को :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में लेना होगा। आप राजनीतिज्ञों की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात कह रहे हैं तो :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह एकदम कर दीजिए लेकिन अगर :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कर देंगे तो रघु:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाू को दिक्कत हो जाएगी, श्री लालू :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ााद:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा गोल हो जाएंगे। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कर दीजिए लेकिन उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी आधार पर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकारी कर्मचारि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों पर :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी लागू कीजिए कि जिनके दो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाच्चे होंगे, उनको कम्पल:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारी रिटा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ार कर दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाएगा। ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा आप राजनीतिज्ञों के लिए कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानाएंगे कि दो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाच्चे होने पर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा नहीं ल:ढद्धठ्ठह१२; :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकेंगे, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी आधार पर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकारी कर्मचारि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के लिए :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कीजिए। कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाानों के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कुछ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोचें। उनको रिटा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ार नहीं कर:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकते लेकिन उनके लिए ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकते हैं कि जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके दो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाच्चे नहीं होंगे, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाको खेती के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााधन, जै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाीज आदि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाडी के आधार पर देंगे। हो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकता है कि उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी आपको ला:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ा मिल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके। मजदूरों के लिए :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कुछ कीजिए। ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक आप लोगों को :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में लेकर इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो लागू नहीं करेंगे त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानाते रहें, जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कु:द्ृद्धड्ड;र्ाी पर आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठे हैं, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानाते हुए :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत लोग आए और गए लेकिन कुछ नहीं हुआ। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कानूनी :ड्डड्ढ;प में मत लीजिए, दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की जनता का :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा अर्जित करके प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कीजिए ताकि जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण हो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके - :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाही :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुझा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा हम देना चाहते हैं।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ ही आप रिजव्र्ड :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में कहते हैं। अन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा मत कीजिए। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादि :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाना है तो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाका :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाइए क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के प्रति:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ात के आधार पर, अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जाति, अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जनजाति की जो आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी होती है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी के आधार पर प्रतनधि आते हैं और आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी के आधार पर कहीं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाात और नौ :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा देंगे तो कहीं न कहीं कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी के हक पर कुठाराघात करेंगे। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी के अनु:ड्डड्ढ;प :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाइए लेकिन अगर इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह करेंगे कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी का :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा देंगे, कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी का छो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२; देंगे तो दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत गलत :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा जाएगा।

हम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोचते हैं कि आप ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कोई कदम नहीं उठाएंगे जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में गलत :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके। हम नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन करेंगे, कोई लम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा-चौ:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण नहीं देंगे, कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं तो पूरी जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा को आधार मान कर, राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो जो प्रतनधि आते हैं, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके आधार पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाइए। अगर जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण करना चाहते हैं तो दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की जनता को :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में लेकर, कोई न:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा तरीका निकाल कर प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कीजिए। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें कानूनी प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कोई ला:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ा नहीं होगा।

इन्हीं :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;दों के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ मैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करता हूं।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी (अमरोहा) : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति जी, :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत अहम :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल है और २०२६ तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार अगर लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा और अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ोम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ालीज की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा फ्रीज करना चाहती है तो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें कोई :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा एतराज की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात नहीं है, लेकिन जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरीके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल के अन्दर मंत्री जी ने पोपुले:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान के हि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीज को :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ादलने की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात की है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें मुझे थो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहा पैदा होता है कि जिन लोगों के हाथों में आज :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो कितनी ईमानदारी के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा काम को करेंगे। आज पूरे दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के अन्दर का:द्ृिद्धड्ड;टज्म, जाति-पाति आ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामान की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाुलन्दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों को छू रही है। :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ात के अन्दर :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह गंदगी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत गहराई तक चली गई है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें मैं कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी एक पार्टी को दो:ण्;ा नहीं दे रहा हूं, कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी एक पार्टी को जिम्मेदार नहीं ठहरा रहा हूं। आज हिन्दु:द्ृद्धड्ड;तान का पोलटिकल :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;टम इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरीके का हो ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है कि :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह देखकर टिकट देनी प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ती है कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी में कौन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी का:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट के लोग ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा हैं और इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाुराई की :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाजह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नौ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ात :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां तक आ पहुंची है कि ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो लोग, जिन लोगों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाो:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाटी नफरत करती है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो अपनी का:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट के अन्दर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;े हीरो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान जाते हैं। मैं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत खुलकर नहीं कहना चाहता हूं, कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी का नाम नहीं लूंगा, लेकिन :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह पूरे दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाूनिटी और इज्जत का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााल है। मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कहना चाहता हूं कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हाउ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा को ईमानदारी के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाकीन दिला:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो कि कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीज को जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरीके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो काटा जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगा और जो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगा, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके अन्दर :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात नहीं देखी जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगी कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा जाति को इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो काटकर अलग कर दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो ताकि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी में फलां का:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा का:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट का एम.पी. जीतकर चला जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो, क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि आज जिन लोगों के हाथों में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार है, डेढ़ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााल के अन्दर उनके तरीका-ए-कार :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात का :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाको-:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहा हमारे दिलों में पैदा होता है। चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा के अन्दर ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादातर एम.पीज. का :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह तजु:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;र्ाा रहा है कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट डालने जाते हैं, मेरा अपना तजु:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;र्ाा है, तो पोलिंग :द्ृद्धड्ड;टे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान पर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटर लि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट में, मंत्री जी, एक पर्टिकुलर कम्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाुनिटी के लोगों को…( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : आल्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी जी, आपकी पार्टी का निर्धारित :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा के:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाल पांच मिनट ही है, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए कृप:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांक्षेप में :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलें।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी : अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी तो मैं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलने के लिए ख:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा हुआ हूं और आप कह रहे हैं कि पांच मिनट के लिए :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो।

श्री :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुरे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा रामरा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा जाध:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा (पर:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ानी) : फैमिली प्लानिंग पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी : इन्हें :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाही पता नहीं है कि फैमिली प्लानिंग का :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल है। आप अगर मुझे मना कर देंगे तो मैं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठ जांगा।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : मैंने कहा है कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांक्षेप में :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी : अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी तो मैंने :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:ड्डड्ढ; कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है, मैं ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा लम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण नहीं देना चाहता, मैं टू दि पाइंट :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात करना चाहता हूं। मुझे कोई :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण देने की ज:ड्डड्ढ;रत नहीं है। मैं :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी जानता हूं कि मेरे :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण का अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ार कितना होगा, कितना नहीं होगा। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए १० मिनट में मैं अपनी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात खत्म कर रहा हूं। जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाच्चाई है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह पता चलनी चाहिए।

मेरी अपनी लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी के अन्दर ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा मैं चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा ल:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा तो जो :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटर लि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट थी, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके अन्दर मु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालमानों की जो लि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट थी, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह फा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;कर फेंक दी गई। …( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) आप :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुन लीजिए। आप मुझे :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलने नहीं दे रहे हैं।ह्ल( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members, please do not disturb. Let him speak.

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI (RAIGANJ): Sir, what is this happening?

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी :गो:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााह:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा, हम आपको :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलने नहीं देंगे, इतना हम :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी जानते हैं। :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटर लि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट को फा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;कर फेंक दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा। जो लोग :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट डालने ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो, उन्हें पता चला कि उनका :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट ही नहीं है। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह एक जेहनि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ात का नाम है और मैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीलिए कह रहा हूं कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार को :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाकीन दिलाना चाहिए कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी को छोटा और :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगा तो उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके अन्दर :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह नहीं देखा जा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगा कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा का:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट की पोपुले:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी में कितनी-कितनी है।

इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ-:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ मैं :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कहना चाहता हूं कि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटिंग को कम्पल:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारी कर देना चाहिए। :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी कां:द्ृद्धड्ड;टीट्:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीज के अन्दर जो दलित :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट हैं, उन्हें ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ारद:द्ृद्धड्ड;ती :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट डालने नहीं दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाता। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके अन्दर :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी एमेंडमेंट होना चाहिए कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में हर आदमी को :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट देना ज:ड्डड्ढ;री होगा।

उन अधिकारि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के खिलाफ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाख्त :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाख्त कार्र:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााई करनी चाहिए जो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरीके की हरकत करें और :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट डालने के लिए पा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांदी डालें।…( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कारण इनमें :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो, :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाारती:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा जनता पार्टी के आधे लोग :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी जीतकर नहीं आएंगे।…( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : आप इनको डि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढदर्;ा न करें। इनका :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत कम है।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी : :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाूलचक कर आप जीत गए, राम के नाम पर। अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाकी चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा में देखना क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा होता है।

श्री था:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारचन्द गेहलोत : आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ार के नाम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ल:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;े थे।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी : आपको तो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ार के अला:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा कुछ नहीं दिखाई देता। :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोते में :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकी त:द्ृद्धड्ड;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाीर देखकर डर जाते हैं। :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ार का एक हौ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा है आपके पर। इतिहा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा के नाम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो न डरें। आप न इतिहा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा को जानते हैं और न कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी चीज को :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझते हैं। राम के नाम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो एम.पी. :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान गए।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा : आप :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीधे चे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ार को एड्रै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा करें।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी : फिर इनको खामो:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा कीजिए, क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि इनकी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात का ज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा देना प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ता है। अगर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटिंग ज:ड्डड्ढ;री कर दी जाए तो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके जो नतीजे निकलेंगे, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पता चल जाएगा। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां जो लोग हल्ला करते हैं, अच्छे लोग चुनकर आएंगे। जो आ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााज को द:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााना चाहते हैं, :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलने नहीं देना चाहते, उनका कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा खत्म हो जाएगा।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति जी, मैं :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कहूंगा कि चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुधार के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार को :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोचना चाहिए। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह मामला :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत दिनों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पेंडिंग है। चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुधार कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो होने चाहिए, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटिंग :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;टम कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह का होना चाहिए और चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा आ:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोग कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरीके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो होना चाहिए, इन पर त:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाज्जोह देनी चाहिए और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन में एक कम्प्रीहें:िद्ृद्धड्ड;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल लाना चाहिए।

 

श्री छत्रपाल :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह (:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाुलंद:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाहर) : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति जी, जेटली जी ने :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन में रखा है। :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाही मा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ानों में इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल के अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाार दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी न :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़े, कुछ राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के जो एतराज थे, उनको ध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाान में रखते हुए ही २०२६ तक लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें फ्रीज रखी जाएंगी। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाही है कि आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी न कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी तरीके :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण रखा जाए। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल में एक :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोधा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी है। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें एक :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ो:ण्;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ारादरी के लिए, अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जाति के लिए :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने के लिए प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान रखा है, जो कि १९९१ की जनगणना के अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाार होगा। एक तरफ आप आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी को रोकना चाहते हैं, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें न :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ें, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा लोगों को, दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा को और प्रांतों को :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जा रहा है कि अगर कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी प्रांत में आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ेगी तो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ेंगी, परंतु दू:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारी ओर एक :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ो:ण्;ा को :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कहा जा रहा है कि तुम अपनी आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाते चले जाओ, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ती चली जाएंगी। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए मैं कहता हूं कि :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह अपने आप में एक :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोधा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा है। कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी न :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़े, त:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी रुकेगी। अगर एक :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने में इंटरे:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट लेगा तो दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी को रोकना मु:द्रिठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;कल होगा। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए मंत्री जी :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा पर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामान :ड्डड्ढ;प :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो लागू होना चाहिए। जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्रांतों के लिए आपने लागू कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी तरह :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्गों के लिए लागू होना चाहिए।

श्री रा:िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाद अल:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाी : कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ रही है ?

श्री छत्रपाल :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : आप :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन को पढ़ लें। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल में :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान है कि जनरल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएंगे, रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जाएंगी। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह तुलनात्मक द्ृ:ण्ि;ट :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो देखें तो जनरल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें कम होती जाएंगी, घटती जाएंगी। मेरा मंत्री जी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आग्रह है कि अगर इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा क्लाज को :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो डिलीट कर दें तो जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांदे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा आप दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा को देना चाहते हैं आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी रोकने का, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें आपको काम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाी मिलेगी।

जहां तक पोपुले:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााल है, पोपुले:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान को :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ने :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो रोकने के लिए :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााधन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार अपना रही है। कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानाकर इंदिरा गांधी जी चली गईं लेकिन कानून :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पोपुले:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान को नहीं रोका जा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकता परंतु जै:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा प्र:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाुनाथ :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह जी ने कहा कि कहीं न कहीं ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी क्लॉज रखी जानी चाहिए, कहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांदि:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा ज:ड्डड्ढ;र होनी चाहिए कि जिन परि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाारों ने ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई है, उनके रा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान-कार्ड में कर्टेलमेंट करिए, कहीं उनकी छात्र:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाृत्ति रोकिए, उनके लाइ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ों:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाों को रोकिए। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरह के कहीं न कहीं कदम :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाना :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:ड्डड्ढ; करें। कुछ कदम :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएंगे तो नि:द्रिठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;चत :ड्डड्ढ;प :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो जो लोग आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा रहे हैं, उनको हैरे:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामेंट होगा और इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी को रोकने का एक कदम :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:ड्डड्ढ; हो जाएगा। मैं कोई ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादा लम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण नहीं करना चाहता। मैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें एक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ो:ण्;ा तौर पर और जो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ना चाहता हूं कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग को :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्रांत को :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ार्:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा क्ला:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा को कहीं :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने के लिए प्रोत्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााहन न मिले, ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;था हो। मैं एक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात और कहना चाहता हूं कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में आपने :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी ओ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाी:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी को हर मा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाने में रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ो:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान देना मान लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा तो लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा और :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााओं में :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी ओ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाी:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी को रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ो:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाना चाहिए।

SHRI K.H. MUNIYAPPA (KOLAR): Mr. Chairman, Sir, our Party is supporting this Bill, that is why, we are supporting it. But there is no meaning of introducing this Bill for amendment because nothing will come out of it. It talks about no changes, no de-limitation, no rotation, and no increase of seats. I do not know what is the meaning of this Bill. Of course, Shri Arun Jaitley, the hon. Minister, is a good lawyer but he is arguing a bad case. Nothing is there in the Bill which he has placed before this august House.

In 1952, Parliament formulated 545 constituencies. For the last 50 years, we have not rotated the constituencies. It is my personal view. My Party has already taken the decision to support this Bill. But I have to express my viewpoint. The constituencies for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes were fixed. Sir, 70 to 75 per cent of the population belong to other community. But they could not contest elections from other constituencies. They are fighting election from their constituencies only for the last 50 years. We are ready for the rotation. We want to fight elections from other constituencies. Let other people contest election from our constituency. We can work for the party. We are not bothered about it. Where is the democracy? What is the meaning of article 14? Are you protecting article 14? As Shri Shivraj Patil has said, we could shift this House to the Central Hall. What is the meaning of adult franchise? I do not want to elaborate on these things. Everything has been explained by Shri Shivraj Patil and Shri Somnath Chatterjee.

Sir, I would like to make three points. As far as de-limitation is concerned, it will not serve the purpose. I do not know whether they are increasing the seats for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. If that is the case, there is some meaning of this Bill. They are trying to take advantage of the votes of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes by giving these seats to them. They would not be able to succeed because they have failed utterly. The DoPT issue is still pending with the Government. They could not come out with a solution. The hon. Prime Minister assured on the floor of the House twice. But he could not solve that matter. In Karnataka only 300 engineers are affected. Yesterday, Government of Karnataka issued the orders for demoting them because the Supreme Court has given a decision according to which before 20th they have to issue orders.

19.00 hrs. The fate of 200 engineers belonging to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is sad. They are demoted. This is the situation. Members of Parliament of all parties belonging to Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes forum urged the Prime Minister that this is a genuine case. But they were not able to solve this problem. By saying that these are Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe seats, they are thinking that in the coming elections, we will achieve something. I am not for that purpose. What is the ratio of the population of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes? It is 27.5 crore and what about the seats for them? We are legitimately eligible for seats based on this ratio of population. About 27.5 crore of the population of this country belong to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. I do agree that you have to give seats to other communities also. You can increase the number of seats for them. We have no objection for that. But this Bill will give no useful results. Shri Shivraj Patil has mentioned that the number of seats will be increased by seven. We welcome it but it should not be at the cost of other communities. You can simultaneously increase the seats for other communities for which we have no objection. But it will not serve the purpose.

The Welfare Minister is representing 20 crores of our population. All the MPs, irrespective of parties, have requested that it should be elevated to Cabinet rank. But that was not taken up. We have urged upon the Prime Minister but that was not elevated. Unfortunately, the Minister is very much interested in animal welfare than the welfare of Scheduled Castes. Animal welfare is very important for her than the welfare of SCs and STs. It is very kind of her and we appreciate that that she is taking interest in animal welfare. It should be taken care of by Shri Ajit Singh and not by Shrimati Maneka Gandhi. But this is what is happening. Some funds have been diverted to other areas. Even funds which have not been sufficiently given have also been diverted. No doubt, she is dynamic but not working sufficiently for the welfare of these people.

Shri Jaitley, this Bill will not serve the purpose. Ultimately, we have to support it. We had decided to do it once in ten years but today, you have decided to do it in 20 years. I have clearly said that without rotation, there is no meaning of introducing or passing this Bill.

I would like to inform this august House to the Minister, through you Sir, that this is like a hidden agenda. If you think of a political advantage, it will not help you. Only the Congress Party, under the dynamic leadership of Shrimati Sonia Gandhi, has to come to power, Only then, the problems of the weaker sections of the people will be solved. The programmes on delimitation and rotation will come out not from you people but from the Congress Party. But, as decided, we have to support the Bill. No results will come out. Nothing useful will come out of this Bill.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Nothing will go on record. Shri Ram Nagina Mishra may speak now.

(Interruptions) …* * Not Recorded     श्री राम नगीना मिश्र (पडरौना) : :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा मंत्री जी द्वारा प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;तुत ९१:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करने के लिए मैं ख:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा हुआ हूं।

मुझे इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात की खु:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाी है कि आज पूरा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल पर एकमत है और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाारे :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन की रा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा है कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पारित करना चाहिए। किन्तु, :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाद्वान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों की रा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुनने के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद आ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हुआ कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें कुछ :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोधा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा है। :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल के उद्दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों और कारणों के कथन के पैरा-४ में लिखा है - :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;ता:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा है कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् १९९१ की जनगणना में अ:िद्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ानि:द्रिठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;चत जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा के आधार पर, लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा और राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों की :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााओं में अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जाति:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों और अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूचित जनजाति:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के लिए आरक्षित :द्ृद्धड्ड;थानों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा को पुन: नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ात कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाए।

इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर लोगों के मत:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ोद हैं। अगर मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाही :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझा हूं तो :िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाराज पाटील जी, :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोधी पक्ष के :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारि:ण्;ठ नेता ने जो अपना :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, उनके :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो हमें आ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हुआ। उनका कहना है कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग के नाम पर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें मत :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं, पूरी जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा के आधार पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाद्वान व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ति हैं और :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोधी दल के :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारि:ण्;ठ नेता :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी हैं, जिनके :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार मैंने :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुने। हमारे दल के :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारि:ण्;ठ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार हैं कि अगर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ानी हैं तो पूरी जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा के आधार पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं, कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग के नाम पर न :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं।

महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में द:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााल के लिए इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए आरक्षण हुआ था ताकि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाज में कमजोर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग अन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्गों के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ारा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ार आएं और हम इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कंटीन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाू करते आ रहे हैं, :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्ड;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाागत की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात है। किन्तु इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पुन: :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााद, आप:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ौमन:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा पैदा हो जाएगा और कानूनी प्रो:िद्ृद्धड्ड;ाज़र :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी आ जाएंगे। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए मैं मंत्री जी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन क:ड्डड्ढ;ंगा कि जन:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाना को देखते हुए, अगर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ानी हों तो पूरी जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा के आधार पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं, न कि जाति-:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग के नाम पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं।…( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारदार :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाूटा :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाीजेपी की रा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा है।

श्री राम नगीना मिश्र : मैंने पहले कहा, :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाद आपने :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुना नहीं। प्रतिपक्ष के नेता पाटील जी ने जो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाान दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, उनके :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण में हमें :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह आ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हुआ। :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां मौजूद हैं, आप उन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो पूछ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकते हैं। उनका :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार था कि अगर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जाएं तो जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा के आधार पर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जाएं।…( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारदार :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाूटा :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह : :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह अच्छी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात है।

श्री राम नगीना मिश्र : हमारी तरफ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कुछ लोगों ने कहा तथा अन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा लोगों ने :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी कहा।…( व्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान) :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाही है। हमें :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह दिन :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ााद है, ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांज:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा जी थे। इंदिरा जी के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा में जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा न :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढे इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा तो ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा गलत प्रचार हुआ कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा कुछ होते हुए :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी जनता ने नाराज होकर कांग्रे:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा को हरा दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाही है कि कानून और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाामाजिक प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दोनों ज:ड्डड्ढ;री हैं। अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी एक प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा हुआ, दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाारे :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांत, हर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग के ई:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााई, मु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालमान और हिन्दू थे, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांतों ने कहा कि जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा रोकने के लिए हम लोग प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा करेंगे। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा होना चाहिए, कानून में :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्रति:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध होना चाहिए। आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाताइए कि क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह अन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा नहीं है।

महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी-अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी अ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम के एक मंत्री ने इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;तीफा दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा। उन्होंने दो :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाादी की थीं। जो चार-चार :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाादी करे उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर प्रति:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध लगना चाहिए। जो एक :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाादी के अला:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा दू:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारी :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाादी करे, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो अ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ौध माना जाए। :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकारी कर्मचारि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों और कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाानों पर :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्रति:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ांध लगना चाहिए। अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी हमारे पुराने मित्र ने कहा कि जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ेगी। दक्षिण-:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाारत में जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पर नि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ांत्रण हुआ है। उनकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें कम नहीं होनी चाहिए, जितनी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें हैं, उतनी रहनी चाहिए। जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जहां :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ी है :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं, उनकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा कम नहीं होनी चाहिए। इन्हीं :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;दों के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ में अपनी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाप्त करता हूं।

 

SHRI K.A. SANGTAM (NAGALAND): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am really thankful for giving me this opportunity to speak. I stand here to support The Constitution (Ninety-First Amendment) Bill, 2000. I stand by my party to support this Constitution Amendment. I am aware of what this Amendment is all about. But I would like to express the sentiments of the people of North-East, particularly in the context of three States which have only one MP each. With regard to Union Territories, there is no problem because the responsibility is shared between the Centre and the States. But full-fledged States like Nagaland, Mizoram and Sikkim have one MP each. When the State of Nagaland was formed in 1963, an Agreement was arrived at between the Union Government and the Naga people. It was a 16-point Agreement. I would like to quote a portion of that 6th point of the agreement . Under this heading Representation In the Parliament, it says:

"Three elected Members shall represent the Nagaland in the Union Parliament, i.e. Two in the Lok Sabha and One in the Rajya Sabha."

But because of the population was small at that very moment, the Government said that we had to wait till the population increased. In 1963, our population was only 3.5 lakh. Therefore, the representation was given only for one Lok Sabha Member. We have got 19 lakh people as per the 2001 census. Looking at the responsibility that one has to carry out as a full-fledged State like Nagaland, Mizoram and Sikkim, we have got only one representative. The other States like Meghalaya, Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh have got two Lok Sabha Members. We have also got 16 tribes in Nagaland. There are different languages and customs in the Stat and it charcter is quite complex.

I would like to stress here that ever since the State was formed in 1963, since Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru’s time, the Centre has been paying a lot of attention and giving a lot of consideration to Nagaland. I am very happy that this august House is also attaching a lot of importance to the North-Eastern States, particularly to Nagaland. On 19th March, 1999, a Resolution was passed by the State Assembly of Nagaland. It goes like this:

"It is hereby resolved that the number of seats of Nagaland Legislative Assembly be increased from 60 to 80 and the allocation of seats with respect to the State of Nagaland in the Council of States and the House of Representatives be increased from one to two, and one to three respectively."

So, I would like to express here the sentiments of the State of Nagaland and its people. The Central Government is attaching importance to the North-Eastern States, particularly to Nagaland. I plead that this Resolution be accepted which was adopted by Nagaland Assembly.

Some hon. Members have expressed their view about this legislation and I am fully aware as to why this Constitution (Amendment) Bill has been brought forward. But, in the case of our State, from 1963 till today, only one seat has been given. As a single Member representing Nagaland, I have to run from pillar to post to get everything done. Suppose I have a problem in my State, there is nobody to do roaster duty in the House in my absence but whereas States like Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh and others they have got two Members who can share the responsibility.

So, I would request the Government of India and the august House to consider my request. In respect of the State of Nagaland, the number of Lok Sabha seats should be increased from one to two.

With these words, I conclude. Thank you very much.

SHRI BHARTRUHARI MAHTAB (CUTTACK): Sir, I rise to support the Ninety First Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 2000. On behalf of my party, we have been instructed to support this Bill. But I have my personal opinions also.

This Bill has been discussed threadbare. But I would like to raise some points where I have my personal opinion. At the outset, as has rightly been stated by Shri Selvaganapathy relating to the situation of population explosion in the country, I would like to state that during my college days, one of the History Professors used to say one thing about Mahabharata. The 18 parvas of Mahabharata were written by the sage Vyasa. As a student of history, one can write, speak and narrate certain historical situations threadbare for hours together. But one can also, as a student of English literature, mention the same situation in only one sentence.

He used to narrate about the Mahabharatha. The Mahabharatha war was fought - Yudhistra got, Duryodhana not. That is the whole history of Mahabharatha. Similar is the case with regard to what has been discussed today, as has been rightly pointed out by elder brother, Shri Tirulochan Kanungo. We are discussing about the dichotomy of the representatives present here in this House. A Member represents 29 lakh voters - with one Member, with one vote; we have another Member in this House, whose constituency comprises only 29,000 voters. This is the dichotomy. The Constitution says that after every Census, the Government and the Parliament should strive to bring in equity between this dichotomy. I think that an attempt was made in the Seventies. Later on, even today, we are not actually attempting to meet that challenge. The challenge of today, is the apprehension which has been expressed by the hon. Members from the Southern States. What has happened? I am not going to deal with other topics. But I want to raise one aspect which has not been discussed till now.

Already the Southern States which have a better record of the economic progress, have already been penalised – it is not that they are going to be penalised by limiting the Central financial assistance. … (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please wind up.

SHRI BHARTRUHARI MAHTAB : If you do not allow me to speak, then I can sit down.

Already the Southern States have been penalised. The Central financial assistance has been limited to the Southern States because of its economic development, according to the recommendation of the Eleventh Finance Commission, I would turn this as a laudable decision if more funds are provided to the weaker States like Orissa, Bihar, which have been neglected repeatedly by different Governments. But the most pertinent question is as to whether it has any effect on population control. A number of suggestions have been made thereto.

Secondly, I would like to draw the attention by my humble remark. Freezing the Lok Sabha seats and Assembly seats, at the current level, earns only a temporary relief. We are only postponing the problem to the year 2026. But what is the remedy? This is the time I think where we can get some benefit from our learned friend, the hon. Minister, Shri Arun Jaitley to come out with certain suggestions. What should we do? How to modulate our ideas? In 2026, the next generation will be sitting here. Many of us also will be sitting here, I am sure. How are they going to face that problem? In 1976, we shifted it to 1991. Again, in 1991, we shifted it to 2000. Again, we are shifting that responsibility to another generation. How do we modulate that idea? Population, definitely, is going to modulate our representative character in this House. But, how are we going to do that? How are we going to meet that challenge of dichotomy? … (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude.

SHRI BHARTRUHARI MAHTAB : Chandigarh is an exception, after the division of Punjab. Similar is also Lakshadweep. So also Thane and Outer Delhi.

I would like to conclude by saying that freezing the Lok Sabha seats and the State Assembly seats, at the current level, earns only a temporary relief.

Thirdly, by giving an indirect reward for failing to keep the population in check, which is the national objective, the Government is partially undoing the intent of the present legislation. This could have been avoided had the Government been able to resist the pressure of the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes lobby and stuck to 1971 Census as the uniform basis for these amendments.

 

SHRI ANANDA MOHAN BISWAS (NABADWIP): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I thank you for giving me an opportunity to say a few words in this debate on the Constitution (Ninety-first Amendment) Bill, 2000 brought by the hon. Law Minister before this august House. I support this Bill. But I would like to say that this Bill is not above criticism. The hon. Minister is freezing delimitation of constituencies till 2026, by linking it with the National Population Policy. But it is nothing but beating around the bush.

Sir, we know that our fiscal policy is based on planned economy and the success of our economy is depended on the national population. So, our population must be concise. This is the first and foremost ingredient for the success of our economy. But the methodology adopted by the Government is curtailing the fundamental rights, human rights and constitutional rights of the people whereas on the countrary they boast of championing the cause of human rights, democratic rights and fundamental rights.

Sir, we have set up so many commissions in this country. We are also thinking of bringing about electoral reforms, which includes State funding of elections. Now, I feel that this Bill is lacking prudence. I would like to mention here that the hon. Minister did not apply his mind properly while placing this Bill before the House. There is no clarity in this legislation. For example, there are 3 lakh voters in a constituency and in Delhi whereas , there are over 30 lakh voters in a constituency in Mumbai. In the State of West Bengal, there are 3-1/2 lakh voters in an Assembly constituency and in another constituency there are only 85,000 voters. So, if the number of constituencies remain fixed till 2026, what will be the actual situation? It may so happen that by 2026 the large Parliamentary Constituency may contain well over one crore voters. How can an MP effectively atten the problems of such a huge population to their satisfaction?

Sir, articles 330 and 332 of the Constitution provide for political reservation for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes and this concession had been given to them based on 1971 Census. But in this Amendment, the privilege that has been given to them will also be frozen till 2026, after the 1991 Census, in the process suspending their constitutional rights for the period between 1991 and 2026.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please conclude.

SHRI ANANDA MOHAN BISWAS (NABADWIP): In spite of all these anomalies, I support this Bill, with the aforesaid reservations.

श्री अ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ातार :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाडाना (मेरठ) : माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करने के लिए ख:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा हुआ हूं । मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार का ध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाान इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा तरफ दिलाना चाहता हूं कि :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत लम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद जहां आपने :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक लाकर एक :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत अच्छे का:द्ृद्धड्डढर्;ा की :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:ड्डड्ढ;आत की है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहीं आपकी कथनी और करनी में लोगों के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाीच में जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांकोच है, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी दूर करने का काम कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है । इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक को लाकर आप दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के कानून में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन करना चाहते हैं। कानून मंत्री जी हम आप:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ी उम्मीद करते हैं कि आप इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक को लागू :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी करेंगे। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकी आज ज:ड्डड्ढ;रत है । जहां पूरे दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में द:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;र्ाों के लिए :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में कुछ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों को रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ा कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा था, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद उन्हें रोटेट करने का प्रा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा था । मेरा कहना है कि आज लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा और :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााएं हैं, जिनमें :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् १९५२ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो लेकर आज तक कन्टीन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाू रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ो:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान है । अगर उन्हें रोटेट कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाए तो उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो दलित :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाज के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाही लोगों को अ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ार मिलेगा, चूंकि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान में द:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ो और कुचले लोगों को आगे लाने के लिए रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ो:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा था ।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो आता हूं, उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत लम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाादति:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाां होती रही हैं । लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ-:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ अनेकों ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााएं हैं, जिनमें उन्हें रोटेट नहीं कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है । मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो मांग क:ड्डड्ढ;ंगा कि डीलमिटे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान के :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाक्त इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका ध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाान रखा जाए और :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों और :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्गों का ध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाान रखा जाएगा तो :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के लिए :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहुत अच्छी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात होगी ।

:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाापति महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाने कहा है कि :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ती हुई आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में चिन्ता का :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:ण्;ा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा है, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन और इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के लोगों को गम्:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाीरता :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो लेना चाहिए । जहां तक मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझता हूं कि चाहे :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह कोई :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग हो, कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो ताल्लुक रखता हो, अगर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा मुल्क का :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाफादार है तो उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा मुल्क की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ती हुई आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो चिन्तित होना चाहिए । :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादि दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ती रहेगी तो दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ााएं :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ती रहेंगी । कोई :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी दल और कोई :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी पार्टी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामाधान नहीं खोज पा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ोगी । लेकिऩ इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके लिए कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी पर कुछ थोपा न जाए । मैं चाहूंगा कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा कानून :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाना:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो कि जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो हर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार्ग और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा के लोगों को न्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा मिल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके । मेरी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो प्रार्थना है कि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो जल्दी ही लागू करेगी ।

१९२८ hrs. (अध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ष महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा पीठा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीन हुए) ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा न हो कि आप :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ार्फ :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक लाकर :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह कहें कि हम :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक ला:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो हैं । मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझता हूं कि कुछ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाीच ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोच :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान रही हैं कि आप इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक को लाकर कुछ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामुदा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों के पर थोपना चाहते हैं :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा उन पर कुछ पा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ान्दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाां लगाना चाहते हैं, ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा नहीं होना चाहिए । :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा के लिए अच्छी चीज है और :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादि आप इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो तुरंत लागू करेंगे तो मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझूंगा कि आपके :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में लोगों का जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांदेह है कि आप ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा नहीं चाहते हैं, :िद्ृद्धड्ड;ार्फ दिखा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाा करना चाहते हैं, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह नहीं रहेगा। मुझे उम्मीद हैं कि आप इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ो जल्दी ही लागू करेंगे। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ मैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करता हूं ।

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI : Sir, Shri S. Jaipal Reddy has a small point to draw his attention. It will help you.

   

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (MIRYALGUDA): Mr. Speaker, Sir, at the outset, I must thank the Minister because I have had the benefit of interaction with him since morning on some of the aspects of this Constitution (Amendment) Bill. I am in total agreement with the basic objective of this Bill. I wish to place on record two reservations. One, there is no need to freeze the number of seats in the State Legislatures.

The basic objective of the Bill is to freeze the existing proportion of seats in Lok Sabha among the States. Therefore, we are exceeding the brief by freezing the number of seats in State legislatures. I do not want to amplify the point for want of time.

The second point, I am coming to, is this. This is going to be based on 1991 Census. We are passing this amendment in 2001. Therefore, reference to 1991 is rather not tenable. If we go back to pre-Forty-Second Amendment situation, the expression used in the Constitution was "the last preceding census". No year was mentioned there. Even now, in my view, it is not too late to replace the word "1991" by "the last preceding census", in which case the following things will follow:

The delimitation will take place once in every ten years, which was the original objective of the Constitution-makers. You are freezing the process of delimitation. The Constitution-makers have envisaged delimitation for every decade. The process of dicennial delimitation is being decimated.

Therefore, I would urge the hon. Law Minister to consider this. At the last minute, even if he cannot reconsider the freeze on Assembly seats, kindly consider this. Otherwise, this Parliament and the State Legislatures will have to amend the Constitution three times to meet the same objective in the next 25 years.

श्री हरी:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ांकर महाले (मालेगां:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा) : अध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ष महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, आपने मुझे :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाोलने के लिए :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा दि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके लिए मैं आपका आ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाारी हूँ। मंत्री महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा की छ:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा अच्छी है, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााणी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी मृदु है और काम की धमक है और नाम :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी अरुण है। अरुण तो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूरज होता है। आदिम जाति के :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाूरज :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो मेरी प्रार्थना है कि इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पर ध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाान दीजिए। मैं :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाु:त्हद्धद्ृ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाार को :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो चला अपने नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन क्षेत्र के लिए, :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ानि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाार चार :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाजे :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां पहुँचा जहां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन की :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ापक्ष की नेता श्रीमती :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोनि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा गांधी जी मालेगाँ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा की :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाात्रा पर थीं। मैं मालेगाँ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ानि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाार को ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा। मालेगां:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा क्षेत्र :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााढ़े पाँच लाख की आ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाादी का क्षेत्र है। मैंने तीन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ााएं :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाहां लीं और नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन क्षेत्र पूरा कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा। दू:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारे दिन ७ :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाजे निकला तो तीन तह:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाील हैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाुरगाणा में - एक त्र:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाके:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ार, एक पेट, जि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाु:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाील कुमार :िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान्दे जी को मालूम है। एक तह:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाील में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाारा दिन निकल ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, मुझे पता नहीं लगा। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां :िद्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाराज पाटिल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााह:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो माफी मांगकर कहना चाहता हूं कि उन्होंने खाली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात की, एरि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा की नहीं की, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह आदिम जाति के :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााथ अन्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा होगा। अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी महारा:ण्;ट्र के चार :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा हैं, :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह आठ हो जाएंगे। :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन में ४० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा हैं आदिम जाति के :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ जाएंगे क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि एरि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा है। मेरा एरि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा पू:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो प:द्रिठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;चम तक २५० किलोमीटर है और दक्षिण :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो उत्तर तक १५० किलोमीटर है और आठ तह:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाील हैं। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए आदिम जाति का जो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;र्ााचन क्षेत्र है :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह दुगुना :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ जाना चाहिए। मंत्री महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा ने :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां जनगणना की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों जो:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ी, :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह तो :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ा का:द्ृद्धड्डढर्;ा:त्हद्धद्ृ;ाम है। क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा मु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ात आई है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां? इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाको अलग रखना चाहिए :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाही मेरी :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ानती है।

 

श्री रामदा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा आठ:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाले (पंढरपुर) : अध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ष महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, श्री अरुण चेटली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ााह:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा ने जो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् २००१ में :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल प्र:द्ृद्धड्ड;तुत कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ामें :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् २०२६ तक एक :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीट नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने की :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात कही है, :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह ठीक नहीं है। मैं तो उम्मीद करता था कि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों को :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक ला:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जाएगा, लेकिन मुझे ऐ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाा प्रतीत होता है कि श्री अरुण जेटली जी को श्री अटल :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाहारी :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााजपे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाी जी ने कहा कि अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी जितनी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें हैं, उनके अनु:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाार ही मुझे :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार चलाने में परे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाानी हो रही है इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादि और :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक लाओगे, तो मेरी परे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाानी और :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ेगी इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक मत लाओ।

अध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ष महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामझ रहा था कि आप :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् २००४ तक ही :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें न :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक लाएंगे क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ान् २००४ में लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा के चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा होंगे और त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा आपकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार आने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााली नहीं है। उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा हमारी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार आएगी। पूरे दे:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ा में :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ोडयूल्ड का:द्ृद्धड्ड;ट्:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा और :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ोडयूल्ड ट्राइ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा की जन:द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा २७.५ प्रति:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ात है। अगर आप दू:द्ृद्धड्ड;ारी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ा रहे हैं, तो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी मैं कहना चाहता हूं कि ए:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा.:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी. और ए:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा.टी. :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ानी चाहिए। मैं जनरल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों को :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाने के :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोध में नहीं हूं। मैं चाहता हूं कि जनरल :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी आप :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं।

अध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ष महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, मैं आपके माध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कानून मंत्री महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन करना चाहता हूं कि लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की कम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कम ३०० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जाएं क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ती हैं त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन में महिला आरक्षण :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक आने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााला नहीं है। मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम्माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा महिला :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन क:ड्डड्ढ;ंगा कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की ३०० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जाएं त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा तक :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार को :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोट न दें। मैं कुमारी ममता :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौनर्जी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी प्रार्थना क:ड्डड्ढ;ंगा, अ:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा मुझे पता नहीं है कि उन्हें अ:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी तक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार में :द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाामिल कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ग:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा नहीं, लेकिन उधर :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ौठने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााली :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम्माननी:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा महिला :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो मेरा नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है कि :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ादि उन्हें ३३ प्रति:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ात महिला आरक्षण चाहिए, तो :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो श्री अरुण जेटली जी को कहें कि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की ३०० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएं। हम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ादन में महिला आरक्षण का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन करते हैं और कहना चाहते हैं कि लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई जाएं।

अध्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक्ष महोद:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा, १४ अक्तू:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ार, १९५६ को नागपुर में :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाा:द्ृद्धड्ड;ााहे:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा अम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ोडकर जी ने :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाौद्ध धर्म की दीक्षा ली। उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ााद हमारी लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की छ: :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें और :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की १८ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें कम कर दी गईं। उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाम:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा ५६ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद:द्ृद्धड्ड;:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों की :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा थी। ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा श्री :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ानाथ प्रताप :िंद्ृद्धड्ड;ाह प्रधान मंत्री :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाने, तो उन्होंने :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाौद्धों को :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाु:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधा देने का निर्ण:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा लि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा, मगर हमारी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ीं। महारा:ण्;ट्र में लोक :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की तीन :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें और :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा की १८ :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़नी चाहिए। इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए मैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन नहीं करना चाहता हूं। मैं :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ामेन मैम्:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ार :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कहना चाहता हूं कि ५० पर:द्ृद्धड्ड;ोंट :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ामेन हमारी :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाात का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ापोर्ट करती हैं इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए उन्होंने कांग्रे:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा पार्टी को हरा:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा। मेरा :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाहां की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी महिला :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ादों :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है, :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाोनि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा जी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है, :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाले ही उन्होंने अपने :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा:ण्;ाण में इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :िहद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाल का :द्ृद्धड्ड;ामर्थन कि:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा है, लेकिन मेरा नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है कि ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ाोधन :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधे:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाक पर :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाोटिंग हो, त:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाका :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी महिला :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाां:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाद :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ारोध करें। महिलाओं को रिज:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढर्;ो:द्रठ्ठद्धठ्ठ;ान मिलना चाहिए। श्री अरुण जेटली जी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो मेरा नि:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ोदन है कि :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ो इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाके :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाारे में ज:ड्डड्ढ;र :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाचार करें।

"अगर आप :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटें नहीं :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाएंगे तो हम तुम्हें आप:द्ृद्धड्ड;ा में ल:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ाएंगे, आने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााले चुना:ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ा में हम तुम्हें हराएंगे और फिर :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा मिलकर हम अपनी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ारकार :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानाएंगे। "    

*m24 SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I must at the very outset express my gratitude to the large number of Members of the House, who spoke on this particular Bill. Almost all of them, barring, perhaps, the last speaker, supported the legislation. I would urge the hon. House not to follow his advice because if his advice is followed, a very great constitutional vacuum would be created.

The delimitation process decided by the 42nd Amendment lapsed in the year 2000. Therefore, this House has to make a constitutional arrangement for the future. This constitutional arrangement for the future can only be on the basis of a complete consensus, which was arrived at before the Standing Committee where it was decided to freeze the number of seats till the year 2026.

I must also express my gratitude for the fact that a very large number of suggestions have been made which were not essentially partisan in character. But on various issues such as the population policy, the need to effectively enforce it, very constructive suggestions have been made. There are a few suggestions, which have been made which I would only like to respond to.

I am conscious of the fact that the debate has gone on for a very long time and I will try and be very brief.

Shri Shivraj V. Patil, while supporting this Bill, raised a few questions which, he said, he was raising in his individual capacity. He felt that there was a need to increase the number of seats as far as Parliament is concerned. And for increasing the number of seats, the principal rationale he felt was that the size of constituency is becoming very large, and the size becoming very large, it is becoming difficult for Members of Parliament to be in regular touch with their constituents because the number of constituents today is in several lakhs. If this 100 crore population becomes 140 crores by 2026, then, perhaps, the difficulties of Members of Parliament would increase. Now this fact has been discussed specifically in deliberations by the Standing Committee. As against this, the counter-viewpoint was also discussed. In fact, he made very constructive suggestions. Actually, if the number of seats is increased, perhaps, the Lok Sabha could be housed in the Central Hall.

The problem was not architectural but it was more conceptual. The conceptual problem was this. How is it linked to the Family Planning Programme? This is linked to the second question which was raised by him and by Shri Somnath Chatterjee. The Family Planning Programme has to be enforced by the States. The Central Government has a responsibility. There are some State Governments which are trying to effectively implement the Family Planning Programme. Now, those States which are effectively trying to implement the Family Planning Programme, if they are faced with the political disincentive that their representation in Parliament will decline because they have effectively implemented the Family Planning Programme, we are then creating a disincentive for those who are effectively trying to implement the Family Planning Programme in this country. Before the Standing Committee which was headed by Shri Pranab Mukherjee, we were faced with these two dilemmas. The constituencies are becoming very large. As against this, we must, therefore, freeze the number of seats as at present on the basis of 1971 figure and continue this freeze for 2026 because the National Population Policy which has been announced for which efforts are being made to implement, the target date is 2026 by which we expect, if properly enforced, the population stabilisation takes place. Therefore, the House being sovereign, will certainly have an opportunity at that time or any time before that to consider whether this process which has been decided by this Amendment today requires to be altered or does not require to be altered. Therefore, it was felt that there is an intrinsic link between freezing the number of seats. The freeze will not create an incentive for those who are not enforcing the Family Planning Programme. The freeze will not create a disincentive for those who are effectively trying to implement the Family Planning Programme.

This being the position, it was felt that the freeze must continue till the year 2026. This was the consensus amongst all political parties; all Members of the Standing Committee were of the same view. While continuing the freeze till the year 2026, we are all conscious of the fact that particularly between 1971 and 1991 due to the rapid growth and urbanisation that took place, distortions have come into play with regard to the sizes of individual constituencies. Therefore, to remove those distortions, we have to constitute a Delimitation Commission, which would take all the relevant factors into consideration and while delimiting the constituencies, as far as possible make sure that the constituencies of similar sizes at least within a State. The number of constituencies in every State is going to be frozen. It was therefore felt that within a particular State, the constituencies would be of similar sizes. Of course, one problem would remain. Between two States, the constituencies may be of different sizes. There could be areas, which, because of geographical factors could be smaller. As a result of the freezing that is taking place with regard to the number of seats, the figure could be different. But within the State, they would be of similar sizes.

A question was raised with regard to what was being perceived as a new provision being made with regard to the proportion of seats of the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes. There is no new provision being brought about by this particular Bill. Article 330 is a part of the original Constitution. Article 330 says that as far as practicable the number of Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe seats would be in proportion to the population of the communities. That principle is being given its logical extension as far as this amendment is concerned. Nothing new on that score is being added.

SHRI SHYAMACHARAN SHUKLA (MAHASAMUND): Is it not a disincentive for family planning for the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes?

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: This is a decision, which the Standing Committee considered. The consideration and consensus was that there was no occasion today to start reviewing what was the original provision in Article 330. The figure and the proportionality that is there in the Constitution need not be reviewed today. This was the consensus that had arisen among members of various political parties.

A question was raised by Shri Somnath Chatterjee, to which I had referred in my opening statement. Today, we are in the year 2001. The 2000-2001 census has already taken place. Why are we therefore referring to the 1991 census in this legislation? We are referring to two particular censuses. For the purposes of freezing the number of seats, we are referring to the 1971 figures even today and it will continue to operate. For readjustment of constituencies, we are referring to 1991. The administrative anticipation is that the accurate figures, after tabulation of the last census would be available only by the end of 2002. Since it would be available by the end of 2002, if the exercise of delimitation were to start thereafter, it might not be possible to conduct the next elections on the basis of the 2000-2001 census. Last time, the process of delimitation took four years from 1972 to 1976. This time, it is expected to take much lesser time; but it would still take sometime. Last time, the entire delimitation had to begin afresh. Today, the seats are not increasing but the readjustment of seats is taking place. Also, additionally, we have new technology and computers are available whereby this process would become easier. Therefore, it is on account of this fact that the next election might be relatable to the 1991 census rather than to the 1971 census that we have consciously taken this decision.

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI : Are you apprehending Lok Sabha elections in 2002?

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I do not hallucinate.

A question was raised by Dr. Raghuvansh Prasad Singh: ‘Whilst we are freezing the number of seats, why have we increased the number of seats in the recently created Legislature in Uttaranchal? आपने कहा कि उत्तरांचल के अन्दर हमने :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाों :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ाई है। :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाह इ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ालिए :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ाढ़ानी प:ढद्धठ्ठह१२;ी, क्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाोंकि :द्ृद्धड्ड;ां:िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान की धारा १७० में :द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाह लिखा है कि कि:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाी :द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाी :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा में :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा ६० :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कम नहीं हो :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकती। ज:हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ा न:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानेगा और न:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ो राज्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ा की :िठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ाधान :द्ृद्धड्ड;ा:द्रद्ृद्वदड्ड;ाा :हद्वद्धद्धड्ढद;ानेगी तो उ:द्ृद्धड्ड;ाकी :द्ृद्धड्ड;ाीटों की :द्ृद्धड्ड;ांख्:द्ृद्धड्डढ;ाा कम :द्ृद्धड्ड;ो कम ६० रहने :ठ्ठहद्वड्ढ;ााली है।

Hon’ble Member Shri Rashid Alvi raised a question. He, in fact, thought that the delimitation is being done or proposed to be done for some collateral purpose, there is some tinkering of the constituencies which is going to take place. He probably was under an erroneous impression that the Government undertakes the exercise of delimitation. The Government does not do it. After this amendment becomes law and a part of the Constitution, this House will have an occasion to consider a separate legislation which will be the delimitation law. Under that delimitation law, the principles on which delimitation is to be done like equality in terms of population, contiguity and various other factors are mentioned in the law itself. As regards the body which will do the delimitation, there is also a participation and involvement of various political interests also in that body. That is in association of them. That body will also be constituted by virtue of that law and the exercise of delimitation is entirely done as far as that body is concerned. There were some suggestions with regard to the feelings of some hon. Members of the North-East. I certainly respect those views. I am sure that this House, when it legislates in future, will keep those sentiments in mind.

Sir, two very important questions were raised by hon. Member Shri S. Jaipal Reddy. One is with regard to the point as to why we are freezing the number of seats in State Assemblies. He felt that because of the incentive of the family planning programme, you may freeze it with regard to Lok Sabha so that no State which is a defaulting State in terms of family planning programme gets an advantage over the performing States; but within their own Assembly you can keep increasing the number of seats. I may just mention that this is the only question on which one of the hon. Members of the Rajya Sabha had disagreed with the views of the Standing Committee. He had raised this objection repeatedly when it was raised and I would just quote what the Chairman of the Standing Committee had mentioned then. It is a very sound logic.

"Regarding freezing of Assembly seats the same logic as to that of Lok Sabha applies because it was considered that more people more number of seats; the whole Act has a disincentive to the population control policy; never it is in respect of the Lok Sabha seats or the Assembly seats. Therefore, it was thought that these should be frozen at the population level of 1971 and the number of seats should be made available on the basis of delimitation".

It was effected in 1971. This logic prevailed in 1971 when this amendment was passed and this logic has been applied to Assembly seats and it continues to operate even today. This is the view which Shri Pranab Mukherjee has taken, which found favour as far as the rest of the Standing Committee except one Member.

The second question which he raised was that when we are extending the deadline that we are going to delimit today, are we going to bind ourselves for the next 26 years, when particularly after the 1991 census we will have the benefit of the 2001 census or 2011 census or 2021 census? May I just suggest that when the original Constitution was drafted, the provision in the original Constitution was that on each occasion, for the purpose of delimitation, the figure of the preceding census had to be taken into consideration?

In 1976 it was felt that this exercise may not be required to be repeated every ten years. Therefore, after the original Constitution had continued to hold force, then every time a census is over, delimitation, naturally, would follow even though the changes maybe marginal or substantial. The 1976 amendment then linked it to the 1971 census and in 1981 and 1991 the then Legislatures felt that it was not necessary to do the delimitation again and, therefore, they did not carry this forward. Today we are feeling that because the 1971 figures may have become a little out of date, it is 30 years behind, we need to have a fresh round of delimitation now. It will always be open for the Parliament when they have future census figures available, if they find that a considerable deviation from the preceding census figures to just change the date which we are now pegging on at 1991 to either 2001 or 2011. But it will be open to the wisdom of this House to consider changes at that time. There is no such bar that this House will not be able to do this. The House is sovereign. It will always be within its rights to bring about those changes.

After all, every ten years, for the purposes of reservation, we make amendment and make appropriate extensions also. Therefore, it will always be within the rights of this House to consider the situation every 10 years whether a fresh delimitation is required and therefore, that date will have to be altered in the Constitution accordingly. Sir, these are some of the broad points which have been raised.

Of course, one question was raised with regard to whether seats on the basis of reservation should be rotated or not. The issue has been specifically discussed, but then it was felt that a Constitution amendment has to be on the basis of a larger consensus in the House and since there was no larger consensus even before the Standing Committee, they did not find favour with this particular suggestion. Sir, these are some of the basic questions which have been raised. I am once again very grateful to the hon. Members who spoke on this Bill and who supported this legislation. … (Interruptions)

This question of Maharashtra has also been raised. Certainly, the Delimitation Commission will be constituted after this amendment, when the legislation is passed. It will be open to the Delimitation Commission to take the increase of population or any change in population into account. Therefore, the entire process would be fixed on that basis by the Delimitation Commission itself. That is a decision which the Commission will have to take if the number of reserved seats is to be increased, which are those seats, identification, fixing the boundary of those seats. That is an exercise which the Delimitation Commission will do in every State where changes of population have taken place.

SHRI K.H. MUNIYAPPA (KOLAR): May I know from the hon. Minister how many Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe seats are going to increase?

SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Sir, I have this calculation with me. I have with me, on the basis of 1991 Census, the changes of population which have taken place with regard to every State. Now, this exact calculation will have to be made by the Delimitation Commission. That will be a statutory authority which will be constituted. They will do the exact calculation and therefore, it is not proper for me to hazard a guess at this stage.

Sir, I am extremely grateful to the Members who have supported this Bill and I commend to this House that the Bill be adopted.

*m26 SHRI N. JANARDHANA REDDY (NARASARAOPET): Sir, I am a Member of the Standing Committee. We felt that it was not necessary for the Standing Committee to discuss this matter then as it was within the purview of the Delimitation Commission. So, it is not as if we have not recommended, but we have to speak about it. He has summarily rejected it as if the Standing Committee has not recommended it. This is not correct.

SHRIMATI RENUKA CHOWDHURY (KHAMMAM): Mr. Speaker Sir, with your permission, may I inform one thing to the hon. Minister? … (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: There should be at least one clarification from ladies’ side also.

 … (Interruptions)

 

*m27 SHRIMATI RENUKA CHOWDHURY : It is the Speaker who has to remind you all.

Sir, I am giving you that wherever replacement levels have been successful, it is because the women there have been empowered and they have the right to participate in the decision-making. At the risk of sounding like a feminist, this is an undeniable fact of our country. In the States where the women’s status is at the lowest, you have the highest population. I rest my case.

MR. SPEAKER: Before voting procedure, Members who have not been allotted seat numbers may kindly record votes of their choice through Division Slips provided by the Division Clerks/Supervisors. They may indicate their name, identity card number, constituency, State and date on the slip.

 … (Interruptions)

 

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Ramdas Athawale, everyday, you should sit there only.

 … (Interruptions)

  20.00 hrs. MR. SPEAKER: Before I put the motion for consideration of the Bill to vote, I would like to say that this being a Constitution (Amendment) Bill, voting has to be done by division.

Let the Lobbies be cleared--

Now, the Lobbies have been cleared.

The question is:

"That the Bill further to amend the Constitution of India, be taken into consideration. "

The Lok Sabha divided:

 

MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction*, the result of the division is:

Ayes: 284 Noes : 002  The motion is carried by a majority of the total membership of the House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the Members present and voting.  The motion was adopted.

 MR. SPEAKER: The House shall now take up clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill.  Clauses 2 to 7   MR. SPEAKER: For Clauses 2 to 7, there are no amendments. If the House agrees, I shall put clauses 2 to 7 together to the vote of the House in which case the result of the voting shall be taken as applicable to each clause. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: We agree. Shri Sunder Lal Patwa, Shri Faggan Singh Kulaste, Shri Ram Naresh Tripathee, Shri Arjun Sethi, Shri Kirit Somaiya, Shri Trilochan Kanungo, Shri Devendra Prasad Yadav, Shri Ali Mohd. Naik, Shri Madavrao Scindia, Shri Abdul Rashid Shaheen, Shri Santosh Mohan Dev, Shri Ajit Singh, Shri S. Jaipal Reddy, Shri Varkula Radhakrishan, Shri Charanjit Singh, Shri Tilakdhari Prasad Singh, Shri P.C. Thomas, Shri Dalit Ezhilmalai voted through division slips. MR. SPEAKER: The Lobbies are already cleared.

The question is:

"That clauses 2 to 7 stand part of the Bill."

  The Lok Sabha divided:

  MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction* the result** of the division is: Ayes: 286 Noes: 1 The motion is carried by a majority of the total membership of the House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the Members present and voting.  The motion was adopted.

Clauses 2 to 7 were added to the Bill.

  * Shri A.P. Adbullakutty, Shri Jaswant Singh Bishnoi, Shri Dalit Ezilmalai, Shri Vijay Goel, Shri Suresh Ramrao Jadhav, Shri A.C. Jos, Shri Trilocahn Kanungo, Shrimati Preneet Kaur, Shri Savshinhai Makwana, Shri Varkala Radhakrishan, Shri Tarachand Sahu, Shri Arjun Sethi, Shri Ajit Singh, Shri Kirit Somaiya, Shri P.C. Thomas, Shri B. venkateshwarlu voted through division slips. **The result of this division applies to each of the clauses 2 to 7 separately. Clause 1 – Short Title Amendments made:

Page 1, line 2, – for "(Ninety-first Amendment)"

substitute "(Eighty-fourth Amendment)" (2) Page 1, line 2, -

for "2000"

substitute "2001" (3)   (Shri Arun Jaitley) MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

"That clause 1, as amended, stand part of the Bill."  The motion was adopted.

Clause 1, as amended, was added to the Bill.

--------

Enacting Formula   Amendment made:

Page 1, line 1,-

for "fifty-first"

substitute "fifty-second" (1)     (Shri Arun Jaitley) MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

"That the Enacting Formula, as amended, stand part of the Bill."  The motion was adopted.

The Enacting Formula, as amended, was added to the Bill.  MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

"That the Title stand part of the Bill."

  The motion was adopted.

The Title was added to the Bill.

  MR. SPEAKER: The Minister may now move that the Bill, as amended, be passed. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Sir, I beg to move:

"That the Bill, as amended, be passed."

MR. SPEAKER: Before I put the motion that the Bill, as amended, be passed, to vote of the House, I would like to say that this being a Constitution (Amendment) Bill, voting has to be by division. The Lobbies are already cleared.

The question is:

"That the Bill, as amended, be passed. "

The Lok Sabha divided:

 MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction*, the result of the division is: Ayes: 297 Noes: 2 The motion is carried by a majority of the total membership of the House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the Members present and voting. The Bill, as amended, is passed by the requisite majority, in accordance with the provisions of article 368 of the Constitution.   The motion was adopted.

--------------

  * Shri Sujan Singh Bundela, Shri Dalit Ezhilmalai, Shri Krishnamraju, Shri Tufani Saroj, Shri Ajit Singh, Shri Kirit Somaiya voted through division slips.     MR. SPEAKER: The House stands adjourned to meet again tomorrow, the 22nd August, 2001 at 11 a.m. 2018 hours The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday, August 22, 2001/Sravana 31, 1923 (Saka).

---------