Lok Sabha Debates
Demands A Statement From Hon''Ble Home Minister Regarding Atrocities On Women, ... on 9 June, 1998
r>Title: Demands a statement from Hon'ble Home Minister regarding atrocities on women, especially of minority communities such as SCs & STs in Rajasthan and West Bengal. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE (CALCUTTA SOUTH): Sir, the atrocities on women are increasing day by day and in West Bengal where we have contested the elections, women are paraded naked and killed brutally. They are raped. MR. SPEAKER: Now the House will take up Zero Hour. Kumari Mamata Banerjee, please. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : Sir, I condemn.. (Interruptions) Shri Jaipal Reddy, please allow me to speak.... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Shri Banatwalla, please understand. The consent has been withheld. Please understand the position.
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MR. SPEAKER: I have already informed you that the consent has been withheld. Please take your seat. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA : Please re-consider the decision. MR. SPEAKER: Later. Please take your seat. You are a senior Member. There is other procedure.
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MR. SPEAKER: Except the speech of Kumari Mamata Banerjee, nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions)* MR. SPEAKER: I will call you. I allowed Kumari Mamata Banerjee to speak. I will come to you. ______________________________________________________________________________ * Not recorded KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : Sir, I appeal to the House to please listen to me and to support me. The atrocities on women are increasing day by day and have gone sky high. While I condemn this act of atrocities committed on women, I appeal to my friends in the Opposition and also on the Government side to know what is happening. MR. SPEAKER: Order please.
KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : We contested the Panchayat elections in West Bengal. Women candidates were paraded naked in West Bengal. Women are murdered. They are brutally killed. They are dying. They have been raped. Women candidates, especially of minority communities such as SC and ST, are being paraded naked. They have been gangraped. Up to yesterday, the death toll was 92. 56 from Trinamool Congress, 14 from BJP, 5 from RSP, 4 from Forward Block and one each from CPI and SUCI have been killed. So many deaths have taken place.(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Except the speech of Kumari Mamata Banerjee, nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions)* KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : You are giving 33 per cent reservation to women but you are not giving protection to them. This is the question of prestige of women. At first, you must give protection and then reservation. The Government has the duty to give security to women. We want the Central Government's intervention in this, within the jurisdiction of the Indian Constitution. Women belonging to SC and ST communities are feeling insecure. The Central Government must take action so that this type of atrocities is stopped. The Home Minister must make a statement. He must inform us what action he is going to take. We condemn it if it happens in Rajasthan or in any other parts of India. What happens in West Bengal is not an exceptional one. Is West Bengal, both politically and geographically, an exceptional one? _____________________________________________________________________________ * Not recorded There is no parliamentary democracy there..* the Chair. They are killing the grass root democracy. If grass root democracy is killed, how will they protect democracy? (Interruptions) Sir, I have documents with me. I have the video cassette. Please look at this. We want justice... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat.
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KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : We want justice.
MR. SPEAKER: Madam, please complete your speech.
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12.09 hrs (At this stage, Shri Sudip Bandyopadhyay and another hon. Member came and stood on the floor near the Table.) MR. SPEAKER: You please go back to your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: You please go back to your seat.
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12.09-1/2 hrs (At this stage, Shri Sudip Bandyopadhyay and another hon. Member went back to their seats.) KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : We want justice.
MR. SPEAKER: Madam, please complete.
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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, please take your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat.
Shri Basu Deb Acharia, please take your seat. No, no, please take your seat. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, please take your seat., ______________________________________________________________________________ * Expunged is ordered by the chair KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : Sir, 93 women have been killed.
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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, what is your submission? Now I have allowed Shri Basu Deb Acharia. Please understand. Please take your seat. Please ask your Members to take their seats. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Shri Dhananjaya Kumar, take your seat.
12.13 hrs (At this stage, Kumari Mamata Banerjee and some other hon. Members came and stood on the floor near the Table.) MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) ... (Not recorded) MR. SPEAKER: You please go to your seats.
12.13-1/2 hrs (At this stage, Shri Mohammad Ali Ashraf Fatmi and some other hon. Members came and stood on the floor near the Table.) MR. SPEAKER: Please go back to your seats. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: The House is adjourned to meet again at 2 P.M. 12.14 hrs The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Fourteen of the Clock. 14.00 hrs The Lok Sabha reassembled at Fourteen of the Clock.
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KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE (CALCUTTA SOUTH): Sir, please allow the Home minister to make a statement... (Interruptions) श्री मोहम्मद अली अशरफ फातमी (दरभंगा): अध्यक्ष महोदय, मैं बड़े गम्भीर विषय की ओर सदन का ध्यान आकर्िषत करना चाहता हूं। अध्यक्ष महोदय: इसे आज नहीं कल लेंगे। ... (व्यवधान)
MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats. The Minister of Railways will reply to the debate. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Shri Shailendra Kumar, please go to your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Home Minister, would you like to respond?
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MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats.
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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, not like this. Please take your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, please take your seats.
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MR. SPEAKER: First of all, please take your seats. Let there be some order in the House.
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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Shailendra Kumar, this is too much. Please go back to your seat.
... (Interruptions) डा. शफीकुर्रहमान बर्क (मुरादाबाद): अध्यक्ष जी, गंदा पानी पीने से कई लोगों की मौतें हो गई हैं। ... (व्यवधान)
14.05 hrs. (At this stage Dr. Shafiqur Rahman Barq and some other Hon. Members came and stood near the Table) ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Please go to your seats.
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MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions)* MR. SPEAKER: Please go to your seats. What is this? You go to your seats. This is not the way. 14.06 hrs. (At this stage Dr. Shafiqur Rahman Barq and some other Members went back) MR. SPEAKER: Today, the House has to complete important business. Please take your seats.
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MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats.
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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Fatmi, please take your seat. Shri Basu Deb Acharia, please take your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
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KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : We want protection in West Bengal ....(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) ... (Not recorded) MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats.
Now, the Minister of Railways may reply please.
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MR. SPEAKER: Madam, Please take your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, please take your seat. We have to complete discussion on the the Railway Budget. There are five more Bills. You have to discuss those Bills also. This is not a good practice. Please take your seat. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) ... (Not recorded) MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) ... (Not recorded) MR. SPEAKER : Shri Mukul Wasnik, please take your seat. I will allow you. Please take your seat. What is this? You are a senior Member.
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MR. SPEAKER : Shri Ramdas Athawale, please take your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) * MR. SPEAKER : Shri Mukul Wasnik, please take your seat.
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(Interruptions)* MR. SPEAKER : Shri Mukul Wasnik, this is not the procedure. This is not a zero hour. Please hear me.
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MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) * MR. SPEAKER : Shri Ramdas Athawale, please take your seat. You must know the procedure. You are not supposed to stand up like that. Please take your seat. I have allowed Shri Buta Singh.
">SHRI BUTA SINGH (JALORE): I am on a point of order. My point of order arises out of Article 338 Clause 5 sub-clauses (a) and (b) of the Constitution of India. Can I have a copy?
MR. SPEAKER : What is your point of order?
SHRI BUTA SINGH : Let me have a copy.
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY (MADURAI): Shri Buta Singh probably means Artice 356 for Tamil Nadu.
SHRI BUTA SINGH : Article 338 of the Constitution enjoins on the President of India a special duty to protect the life and property of the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes in this country. Under this Clause, the President of India has appointed a Commission for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. Sub-clause (a) of Clause 5 reads as follows: -
"(a) To investigate and monitor all matters relating to the safeguards provided for the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes under this Constitution or under any other law for the time being in force under any order of the Government and to evaluate the working of such safeguards."
_______________________________________________________________ * Not recorded Today it has become the order of the day that in every State, dozens and dozens of Scheduled Caste women are being subjected to inhuman atrocities. In Rajasthan alone, last week two women belonging to Dalit community were paraded naked. MR. SPEAKER : What is your point of order?
SHRI BUTA SINGH : This is my point of order. Please listen to me. SHRI BUTA SINGH : This is the point of order. Kindly listen to me...(Interruptions) SHRI C. GOPAL (ARAKKONAM): Is this a point of order? What is your exact point of order?...(Interruptions) SHRI BUTA SINGH : Are you not interested in the welfare of the scheduled caste and scheduled tribe people? Do you want the scheduled caste women to be raped? In Rajasthan, in one of the villages, two young ladies belonging to scheduled castes were paraded naked. Their hands and feet were tied. They were hanged from the tree. Similarly, in West Bengal, two women candidates belonging to this community were raped...(Interruptions) Many of the women candidates were raped in the open, in the public and the Government and the police have taken no action against the accused...(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : I have allowed him. Let him complete. Please take your seat. ... (Interruptions) SHRI BUTA SINGH : It has come in the Press. Do you not read the newspapers? It has appeared in the front page of the Statesman, a Delhi-based newspaper. It has carried this news. My submission to you and through you to the hon. Home Minister is that you should ask the National Commission for the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes as well as the National Commission for Women and the Minorities Commission to send a special team to find out the position...(Interruptions) It has come in the Press. My request to the hon. Home Minister is that under Article 338 of the Constitution, he should direct the Commission for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes as also the National Commission for Women to collect and send the facts so that this House is taken into confidence and the whole facts, the entire story are brought before the House. Sir, as a custodian of the Constitution, you are also competent to deal with it. You should constitute an All-Party team especially consisting of women Members. They should be sent to all the States including the ones that I have mentioned to bring the factual position to you from those States so that the hon. Home Minister can be directed by the House to take appropriate action. Before the hon. Home Minister is allowed to make a statement, my submission to you and through you, to the Government of India, especially to the hon. Prime Minister is this....(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : He is referring to the Constitution. Please take your seat. SHRI BUTA SINGH : The hon. Prime Minister is always a champion of the cause of the underdogs, the weaker sections and the women of this country. They have a special claim. The entire women-folk of this country today look upon Ms. Mamata Banerjee because she is raising the point in this House. Therefore, my submission to you is kindly ask the Home Minister to get the factual reports. I would also request you to fix a special date and day in this very session so that we can discuss the atrocities on the women and the dalits. This is my submission. Kindly give a ruling on my point of order...(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Home Minister to give a reply now. ... (Interruptions) SHRI ANIL BASU (ARAMBAGH): Sir, what is this? I am on a point of order...(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : Please hear me. The hon. Home Minister is on his legs. ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : Madam, please take your seat. I have allowed the Home Minister. ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : Shri Anil Basu, what is your point of order. Please ask your Members to take their seats. ... (Interruptions) SHRI ANIL BASU : According to the Directions of the hon. Speaker and the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business, one has to maintain decorum in the House. Today, there is occurrence and recurrence of unruly scenes inside the House and it has brought down the honour, dignity and fame of this House. Sir, due to the occurrence and reccurrence of unruly scenes inside the House, the honour and dignity of the House are at stake....(interruptions) ...You are the custodian of the House. We request you to restore the honour and dignity of the House. Unruly scenes cannot be allowed inside the House on the wish of any Member of the House....(interruptions)...The honour and dignity of the House should be protected by the Chair. The occurrence and reccurrence of unruly scenes has brought down the prestige and honour of the House. We want your ruling on this, Sir. MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of order. This matter is not connected with the business of the House. ... (Interruptions) SHRI ANIL BASU : Rules of procedure and directions by the Chair are being violated as per the wishes of some Members of the House....(interruptions)...
"> ग्ृाह मंत्री (श्री लाल कृष्ण आडवाणी): अध्यक्ष महोदय, कुछ दिन पहले नेता विपक्ष ने राजस्थान में महिलाओं पर अत्याचार का उल्लेख किया था और आज एक सम्माननीय सदस्या और श्री बूटा सिंह जी ने फिर से महिलाओं पर अत्याचार का उल्लेख किया है और अनुसूचित जाति-जनजाति का विशेष उल्लेख किया है। जिन दो प्रदेशों का नाम लिया गया है राजस्थान और पश्िचम बंगाल, राजस्थान से तुरंत मैंने समाचार मंगाए और न केवल वहां से समाचार आए, उन्होंने यह भी कहा कि जयपुर और कोटा में हुई घटनाओं की जांच सी.बी.आई. से कराएं तो अच्छा होगा। कुमारी ममता बनर्जी (कलकत्ता दक्षिण): वेस्ट बंगाल का भी करवाइए। ... (व्यवधान) श्री लाल कृष्ण आडवाणी (ग्ृाह मंत्री): अध्यक्ष महोदय, मैं सदन को आश्वासन देना चाहता हूं कि जिस प्रकार से राजस्थान से समाचार मंगवाए हैं, उसी प्रकार से पश्िचम बंगाल से भी समाचार मंगवाएंगे। ... (व्यवधान)
MR. SPEAKER: Now, the Minister of Railways may reply for the debate.
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MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat, Shri Swamy. Today we have to complete the discussion on the Railway Budget. Nothing will go on record except the reply of the Minister of Railways.(Interruptions)* SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D. CHAVAN (KARAD): Sir, what about the Calling Attention which is listed in the agenda paper today? MR. SPEAKER: We may take up the Calling Attention after the reply of the Minister. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Shri Sathiamoorthy, please take your seat. Shri Muthiah, please take your seat. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: I have called the Minister of Railways to reply and not you. Please understand that this is not `Zero Hour', Shri Swamy. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions) * _____________________________________________________________________________ * Not recorded MR. SPEAKER: Shri Muthiah, this is not `Zero Hour'. We have to complete an important business. Please understand. You may raise it tomorrow. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat now, Shri Swamy.
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DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : Will you give me time to raise it tomorrow? When I came to your Chamber, you said that you would fix a time for it. It is a question of national security....(interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No, this is not `Zero Hour'.
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THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI NITISH KUMAR): The House is not in order, Sir. ..(interruptions)... MR. SPEAKER: Shri Muthiah, please take your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.
(Interruptions)* MR. SPEAKER: Once again I am requesting you all to take your seats. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: We will see tomorrow. Please take your seat. ... (Interruptions)
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : Will you allow me tomorrow?..(interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You please take your seat.
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : You please say `tomorrow'.
MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow. Now, the Railway Minister.
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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Chavan, yesterday, we had decided that the Minister of Railways would give his reply at two o'clock. It is already 2.20 p.m. ... (Interruptions)
SHRI R. MUTHIAH (PERIYAKULAM): Sir, I want to raise an issue. ___________________________________________________________________________ * Not recorded MR. SPEAKER: Shri Muthiah, please take your seat. You can raise it tomorrow. ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No, no. There is no point of order. Please take your seat. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: This is not good. Please take your seat.
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MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Railway Minister, you continue your reply. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except the speech of the Minister of Railways. (Interruptions) * श्री नीतीश कुमार : अध्यक्ष महोदय, रेल बजट पर हुई सामान्य चर्चा में करीब १०८ माननीय सदस्यों ने भाग लिया और कुल २० घंटे २९ मिनट चर्चा हो चुकी है। ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except Railway Minister's speech. Please continue. (Interruptions)* SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (PONNANI): Sir, when will the Minister of Home Affairs give the statement about Hyderabad and Moradabad? ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: That is at four o'clock.
SHRI P.M. SAYEED (LAKSHADWEEP): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am on a point of order. In the List of Business, you have put `Calling Attention' first and then only the reply. I do not have any objection. But according to the Rules of Procedure, if it is listed, then, you have to take consent of the House. MR. SPEAKER: Yesterday, it was decided with the consent of the House. SHRI P.M. SAYEED : Procedurally, you will have to take consent of the House. MR. SPEAKER: I take consent of the House. Is it the consent of the House that after reply of the Minister of Railways, we will take up the Calling Attention? ___________________________________________________________________________ * Not recorded ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Please cooperate. Yesterday, we had decided that the Minister would reply at two o'clock. ... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Yesterday, you were not there in the post-lunch session. SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D. CHAVAN : In that case, it should have been listed in the agenda. ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Now, I request the House. Is it the sense of the House that the Minister of Railways can give his reply? SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (MAHABUBNAGAR): Sir, I have a point of order. SHRI NITISH KUMAR: What is your point of order, Shri S. Jaipal Reddy?... (Interruptions) We all were sitting throughout the whole night. And you were sleeping in your bedroom. ... (Interruptions) What is this? ... श्री प्ृाथ्वीराज दा. चव्हाण : साल में एक बार तो जागना पड़ता है। ... (व्यवधान)
SHRI NITISH KUMAR: No, no. You all were sleeping in your bedroom. ... (Interruptions) श्री राजवीर सिंह : चैन पुलिंग करेंगे तो गाड़ी कैसे चलेगी? ... (व्यवधान) श्री नीतीश कुमार : चैन पुलिंग नहीं करिए, नहीं तो गाड़ी कैसे चलेगी। ... (व्यवधान) MR. SPEAKER: Order please.