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Title: Discussion regarding allegation levelled by former advisor to Finance Minister against the Government. (Not concluded).

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, before calling Shri P. Shiv Shanker, I may inform you that a discussion under Rule 193 on the allegations levelled by the former Adviser to the Finance Minister against the Government has been admitted in the names of Prof. P.J. Kurien and Shri Sharad Pawar. They have now requested me to allow Shri P. Shiv Shanker to raise the discussion on their behalf. I have allowed Shri P. Shiv Shanker to raise the discussion.

SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER : I am quoting it. These are the proceedings of the House.
SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Please paraphrase it.
SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER : What he has said is this. At the time when the debate on Bofors was there. ... (Interruptions) SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ : You should not quote. I told you the Rule.... (Interruptions)
SHRI VAIKO (SIVAKASI): It is an established convention. ... (Interruptions) श्रीमती सुषमा स्वराज : सभापति महोदय. इस पर आपको व्यवस्था देनी होगी। जब नियम इस पर पाबंदी लगाता है तो इस पर आपको व्यवस्था देनी होगी। ... (व्यवधान)आप पीठासीन अधिकारी हैं।
SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER : I am speaking orally.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ : You cannot even refer to that. ... (Interruptions)
SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER : Please sit down. ... (Interruptions)
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ : I must get a ruling from the Chair. Do not ask me to sit ... (Interruptions) SHRI AJIT JOGI : He did not quote.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ : He cannot make reference to that. महोदय, मैंने आपसे पहले उपाध्यक्ष महोदय को यह रूल दिखा कर कहा था कि इसका हैडिंग है:
"Restriction on quoting speeches made in Council." इसके नीचे लिखा है :

SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER : It was reported in the newspapers also. But I am only saying. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI VAIKO : Now, you are jumping to newspapers.

SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER : It was on the 11th of August, 1987 that the present Foreign Minister had at that time insisted that they have no proof.

There is nothing of that type. Some foreign agency has spread the news. Therefore, truth has to come out. If the truth has to come out, JPC alone is the way out. That is what was said.

Sir, in recent times, they had been trying to quote Mahatma Gandhi off and on. That great soul lived on the concept of truth and non-violence. They are trying to quote him off and on and they are trying to project that they want to make his dreams into reality. Therefore, that great soul has left his imprints on the sands of time based on truth and non-violence. If they are really interested in the truth, if truth has any relevance for them, who had been trying to pose before the nation that they stand by principles, it is in their interest that a JPC should be constituted and truth alone should come out.