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SHRI A.C. JOS: Sir, I want a ruling from the Chair. ... (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: I will give a ruling. I will first hear the other side also then I will give a ruling later.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI A.C. JOS : Mr. Minister, why are you afraid of having a discussion on this? ... (Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS, MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI RAM NAIK): Why are you afraid of listening to us? ... (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: First let us hear the Minister; then I will give a chance.

SHRI RAM NAIK: Sir, I invite your attention to Rule 26. It is about the allotment time to the Private Members' Business. The Rule says:

"The last two and a half hours of a sitting on Friday shall be allotted for the transaction of Private Members' Business."

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : Then, why was it not taken up at 3.30 p.m.?

SHRI RAM NAIK: Why is he in a hurry?

When there is to be a deviation in this schedule, it has to be done with the concurrence of the House. In the present case, the Budget discussion and the reply was extended with the concurrence of the House; and once that is over, the House has to take up the Private Members' Business. The word used in the Rule is `shall' and not `may'. ... (Interruptions) The time allotted to the Private Members' Business is never changed. It always gets the priority except in certain circumstances when the whole House agrees. So, now that the Budget discussion is over, the Private Members' Business has to get the precedence. We have to go according to the rules. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI A.C. JOS : Shri Sikander Bakht, a very senior Minister is sitting here. He does not want to reply. ... (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Jos, you are taking every single opportunity. I have given you an opportunity. Now, you take your seat. Shri Jaipal Reddy.

... (Interruptions)MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing goes on record except what Shri Jaipal Reddy says.

(Interruptions) ... (Not recorded) SHRI A.C. JOS : Sir, the Minister of Industry is not listening to us. ...; (Interruptions)

SHRI RAM NAIK: It is because he is speaking without the permission of the Chair. ... (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: If you are interested, we will take up this item after 6 p.m. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : Sir, the rules of the House cannot be violated ... (Interruptions)

SHRI ANIL BASU : Sir, please take the consent of the House ... (Interruptions) The consent of the House should be taken ... (Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS, MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI RAM NAIK): Sir, that has to be decided at 6 p.m. Why are they so eager? ... (Interruptions)