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SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA (PANSKURA): Can I know the name?

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : I will not name.

SHRI HARIN PATHAK (AHMEDABAD): It has come on television. … (Interruptions)

SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA : Anonymity is no virtue.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : It is not anonymity. … (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Swain, this is not right.

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MR. SPEAKER: I request all hon. Members to see that there is no cross talk.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : Sir, he put a right question and he is justified in putting that question, but it is not right for me to name him. That is my limitation.

MR. SPEAKER: Advaniji, may I interrupt you for a second? As soon as this matter was raised even before the House started its proceedings on the 15th, I said, ‘I will allow a discussion only in a proper form and please do not insist on an Adjournment Motion’.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : This is exactly what I am saying.

MR. SPEAKER: Therefore I had said that.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : This is what I had said from the very beginning. Otherwise, I could have come to you and pointed out to you why an Adjournment Motion is possible, but I did not go into it.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Advani, you are very well aware that during the debate we do not use the name of the President or the Governor.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : We do not use the names but this is crucial for this debate.… (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: It cannot be.  Substance of the matter, we can express.

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SHRI L.K. ADVANI : It is a public statement.

MR. SPEAKER: It may be a public statement, then the Presidents' statements are also public statements.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : I said this to the Governor also.  I said normally a Governor reports to the President in respect of the State, as to what is going on in the State.[r21]            यह मंथली और पीरियोडिकली  भी आती है। *...   These are the words that he has used.… (Interruptions)

MR.SPEAKER: I have allowed you. I have noticed it.

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MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Advani, I said that you are entitled to refer it.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI : Thank you, very much.

MR. SPEAKER: I have already said it earlier.

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MR. SPEAKER: Please, hon. Members, you may also  have to refer some statements. Why are you doing this? Why are you interrupting him?

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SHRI L.K. ADVANI : Sir, I visited Nandigram, and many of the Press people, Media people accompanying me said that ‘this is the first time that we have been allowed  to go to Nandigram.  Otherwise, it was out of bounds for us.’  I was surprised to hear that ‘this is because Advani has friendship with the Chief Minister.’  This kind of a comment coming from the Ruling party surprised me.  I did not expect this because I have had and I have tried, as the Home Minister, to maintain   good relations with all the Chief Ministers in the country including many in the Congress party.  That does not matter anything. I have good relations with them.  Even now, I have good relations with him also.   And, I was happy to find that his response to the Prime Minister’s comment on Nandigram was different from the party’s response.  He said: “I appreciate what the Prime Minister  has said.”            So, these are matters about which I have only this to say that the CPI(M) must look back at the entire Nandigram episode.  How it happened?  When you try to convert the party into a substitute for Government, then things go out of hand.  I remember, when I first visited Nandigram, the same thing was again and again mentioned that it is his people who wore police uniforms.  I do not know.[r23]            An MP’s name was mentioned. It was said – ‘It is they who fired on us while we were doing Puja. The Muslim ladies there were reciting Quran’ At that time, firing took place on them and they said that they were not policemen really, they were party men, party cadres in police uniform. … (Interruptions)