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Title: Moved the motion for consideration of the Explosive Substances (Amendment) Bill, 1998. Motion for Consideration - adopted 17.35 hrs. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI L.K. ADVANI): Mr. Chairman Sir, I beg to move:

"That the Bill further to amend the Explosive Substances Act, 1908, be taken into consideration." सभापति जी, यह विस्फोटक पदार्थ विधेयक या विस्फोटक पदार्थ अधनियम, जो मूल कानून है जिसके अधीन देश में विस्फोटक पदाथर्ों का नियमन होता है, वह आज से ९० साल पहले बना था। १९०८ का यह विधेयक है और इन ९० सालों में वैज्ञानिक प्रगति बहुत हुई है। वह वैज्ञानिक प्रगति मानवता के हित के लिए भी होती है और अहित के लिए भी होती है। जो वैज्ञानिक पदार्थ नए-नए निकले हैं उनमें से कुछ बहुत भयंकर रूप के हैं जिनका अनुभव इस देश में पिछले कुछ सालों में आतंकवातियों के माध्यम से किया गया है। मैं अगर उनमें से कुछ का नाम ले लूं- आर.डी.एकस, जिसका अर्थ है रिसर्च डिवेलपमेंट एकसप्लोसिव। दूसरा है पी.ई.टी.एन. जिसका अर्थ है-पेंटा ऐरीथ्रिटॉल टैल्ट्रा नाईट्रेट और तीसरा है एच.एम.एकस. यानी हाई मैल्िटंग एकसप्लोसिव। ये तीन जिनका मैंने नाम लिया है उनका उपयोग देश में आतंकवादी ही करते रहे हैं। इनके अलावा एक और वस्तु का उपयोग करते रहे हैं और वह है रिमोट कंट्रोल डिवाइस। एकसप्लोज़न के लिए इसका उपयोग किया जाता रहा है। १९०८ के मूल कानून में जो एकसप्लोसिव सबस्टांस की व्याख्या की गई है उसमें कहा गया है-

>SHRI C. KUPPUSAMI (MADRAS NORTH): Mr. Chairman, Sir, while I rise to speak on the Explosive Substances (Amendment) Bill, I would like to put forth a few points, on behalf of my party, the DMK. The hon. Home Minister, Shri L.K. Advani has brought forward this Amending Bill to give `special category explosive substance' to high and lethal explosive materials like RDX, PETN, HMX, TNT, etc., remote control devices and to provide for maximum punishment to the offenders.

Though the objective and the spirit of the Bill seem to be good, I would like to know who has created this sort of situation where the terrorists and anti-social elements move freely with all sorts of explosives. How they could smuggle these explosives into our country regularly? According to one report, over 43,000 kgs of RDX had been seized over the years in the country and the collective explosive power of such materials could lead to unprecedented destruction. According to the Government's own document, Pakistan is suspected of having pushed in about 51,810 kgs of high explosives, mostly RDX.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I shall keep your knowledge in mind. But I do not want to make amendments in the law which give ideas to people. Firstly, it is essentially a matter on which scientists can comment; I would not claim to do that. But I did enquire, after your amendment, and I did go into the whole thing. After all that, I came to the conclusion that the present formulation of the law is the best because it `includes' and it does not exclude anything. Today, at least we are aware that the kind of explosives Pakistan or the ISI have been providing to the militants are, principally these three. These are the substances that are being provided and, therefore, they have been specifically mentioned. यह जो बार-बार कहा गया है कि अगर गलती से किसी के पास मिल गया तो उसको तो फांसी पर चढ़ा देंगे, ऐसा नहीं है। इसमें हर एक प्रोवीजन में लिखा गया है, जैसे आप देखेंगे कि कलाज़ तीन है:

SHRI AJAY CHAKRABORTY (BASIRHAT): Is it for ISI?

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: It is not for ISI. There is no mention of ISI. These explosives are not available here. They have got from them... (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is:

"That the Bill further to amend the Explosive Substances Act, 1908, be taken into consideration."

The motion was adopted.

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PROF. R.R. PRAMANIK : But Sir, I have got the amendment. I was assured that I would speak later on, on amendments.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The House will now take up clause by clause consideration of the Bill.