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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.

(Interruptions)* उपाध्यक्ष महोदय : आपका प्रविलेज मोशन जब मेरे पास पहुंच जाएगा, उसके बाद ही मैं आपको बोलने का मौका दूंगा। ... (व्यवधान) श्री मोहन रावले : महोदय, मैंने प्रविलेज मोशन दिया हुआ है। ... (व्यवधान) उपाध्यक्ष महोदय : मैंने आपको कहा है कि जब आपका प्रविलेज मोशन आ जाएगा तो कंसीडर करूंगा। ... (व्यवधान)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Muthiah, I will give you the floor.

DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY (MADURAI): Sir, you said that you will allow me. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You will get a chance. Let there be order in the House. How can everybody talk like this? DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : I am not everybody.... (Interruptions) I sought your permission to speak but you are now giving the floor to Shri Muthiah.... (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: How can I hear when all of you are talking? I have told Shri Muthiah that I will give him the floor. I have called Shri Rajesh Pilot.

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everything, it will set a bad precedent... (Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is your House. You can discuss anything. The only thing is that, it should be within the framework of the rules... (Interruptions) DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : Why is he afraid? Is he responsible for this?... (Interruptions) श्री विजय गोयल : सर, आप मुझे चांस देंगे। _____________________________________________________________________________ *Not Recorded. उपाध्यक्ष महोदय : इस तरह से होगा तो नहीं दूंगा।

SHRI RAJESH PILOT (DAUSA): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I raise this point with a very heavy heart and I am as heavy at heart as all my colleagues would be because we always keep the Defence Forces in very high esteem. Normally, we do not bring out things relating to the Defence Services. But the things have gone beyond limit. Some of my colleagues including Shri Kamal Nath and I have given a notice ten days back under Rule 184. We had been requesting the Government that let us have a discussion. I am not saying that you discuss the security aspects here. If you feel that it is a matter relating to national security -the hon. Speaker is here and all our colleagues here are responsible -- we will avoid that. The Government has agreed last time that we have nothing to hide and we would like to discuss it. But the water has flown much beyond that. Admiral Bhagwat has given an affidavit in the Court on 14th. He has reflected many things which are hurting any responsible citizen. Sir, day before yesterday, I read one of the notes and found that he has been granted pension also. The same Government has said that he has been dismissed. I had been in services and I know if anybody is dismissed by the Government or the Army, he does not get a pension. This Government has given a pension to him in February. It means, there is something in stinking the whole affair. This nation the right has to know about it ... (Interruptions) DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : What about LTTE ship that was allowed to go? It is in today's Hindustan Times.... (Interruptions)   श्री विजय गोयल : इस पर आज स्पीकर साहब की मीटिंग थी, अब ये सदन का टाइम खराब कर रहे हैं। SHRI RAJESH PILOT : Sir, the institution has been totally damaged. He has written in his affidavit that he was told by the Prime Minister and his Principal Secretary, "please do not tell this information to the Defence Minister". He has been told this. He is saying on record that when Pokhran took place, he was told not to inform the Defence Minister... (Interruptions). Day before yesterday, Shri Guruswamy said that Shri Advani was not aware of till 15 minutes before the explosion. Is this the Government which this country deserve? The Defence Minister is told that you do not tell the Chief of Air, Army and Naval Staff about this. How can those Chiefs work under the Defence Minister? If the Prime Minister has no confidence in the Defence Minister, Shri George Fernandes should resign and come out of the Government ... (Interruptions). The affidavit says that there is a needle of suspicion about some sort of corruption in the deals. That is also there in the affidavit. We had demanded a JPC. The Home Minister is here and my request to him would be to have a JPC. We do not mind JPC in-camera. You have it in-camera. But please accept the JPC so that the nation is aware of what is happening... (Interruptions). श्री विजय गोयल : कांग्रेस करप्शन की बात न करे, भ्रष्टाचार की बात न करे। ... (व्यवधान) ... (Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI L.K. ADVANI): Sir, you are the custodian of the House, not I.... (Interruptions) Still he is unable to contain himself. Sir, if they want it, you better adjourn the House ... (Interruptions) _____________________________________________________________________________ *Not Recorded.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Over?

... (Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI L.K. ADVANI): Sir, if they do not want it, you adjourn the House. SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Sir, I understand the seriousness.... (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, I am calling Dr. Subramanian Swamy.