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 The speaker, Dr. Monomohan Das from West Bengal, is referring to Dr. B.R. Ambedkar. What does it indicate? It is this custom and religious belief, it is this social stigma which is growing on in the rural India.

According to the Census figures of 2001, the total population of this country is more than 102 crore as admitted by the Registrar General of India. The population of the Scheduled Castes is nearly 18 per cent which means that we are nearly 19 crore or 20 crore people in this country. I want to know from Shri Swami who is representing the Home Ministry, and Shri Ram Naik and Dr. Jatiya who are Cabinet Ministers as to how much time is allotted for this Parliament to discuss the issue of 20 crore people. I will request Shri Ram Vilas Paswan, Shri Ramji Lal Suman and others to take account of this Parliament, whether it is discussing drinks like coca-cola or it is discussing this burning issue of 20 crore people. I am very much concerned about it.

SHRI RAM NAIK: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, will you please yield for a minute?

MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Basu Deb Acharia, are you yielding?

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : Yes sir.

SHRI RAM NAIK : Shri Basu Deb Acharia, can you tell me from where you got this information? … (Interruptions) Lakhs and lakhs of people are taking bath there.

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : I watched it on TV.

SHRI RAM NAIK : It is not true. … (Interruptions)

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : Thousands of dalit Sadhus are bathing; separate arrangements are there…… (Interruptions)

SHRI RAM NAIK : It is not so.

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : You please find out.

SHRI RAM NAIK : That is why I am speaking. I am aware of what is happening in Nashik. … (Interruptions)

SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN (BALASORE): How do you find out that he is a dalit Sadhu? Is there any mark on him? … (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Kharabela Swain, please take your seat.

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : Sir, in order to implement this article, an Act was enacted in 1955 which is called the Protection of Civil Rights Act, 1955 which primarily deals with offences relating to the practice of untouchability. There are atrocities on the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes in spite of article 17 of the Constitution. In spite of the Protection of Civil Rights Act, 1955 this untouchability is still continuing. It is being practised in the villages of our country.

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : It is the consensus of the House. (Interruptions)

SHRI RAM NAIK: I have also a submission. On many occasions what we do is that those who want to speak, they should speak. Many times it has happened that the debates on Railway Budget even goes up to 4 o’clock in the morning. So, my suggestion would be that those who want to speak, should speak today (Interruptions)

कुंवर अखिलेश सिंह (महाराजगंज, उ.प्र.) : इतने गम्भीर विषय पर पूरी बहस होनी चाहिए।( व्यवधान)

SHRI RAM NAIK: Those who want to speak today should speak today, and the Minister can give his reply tomorrow. Half an hour should be carved out of that. The reply can be given tomorrow. (Interruptions)