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SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA : Gandhiji's concept of Ramrajya and his concept of Ramrajya is quite different... (Interruptions)

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I am not yielding... (Interruptions) I do not want anyone to support me, please... (Interruptions)

PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (BARAMULLA): Gandhiji's concept was different.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I am aware of it. +É{É vÉÒ®úä-vÉÒ®úä Eò½þäÆMÉä, VÉèºÉä +ÉÊ®ú¡ò ºÉɽþ¤É xÉä {ɽþ±Éä-{ɽþ±Éä ½þÒ =ºÉEòÉ ÊVÉFò ÊEòªÉÉ, +ªÉÉävªÉÉ EòÉ ÊVÉFò iÉÉä Eò<Ç ±ÉÉäMÉÉäÆ xÉä ÊEòªÉÉ, ±ÉäÊEòxÉ +ÉÊ®ú¡ò ºÉɽþ¤É xÉä +{ÉxÉÉ ¦ÉɹÉhÉ nùäiÉä ½þÖB ¶ÉÖ°ü-¶ÉÖ°ü ¨ÉäÆ ½þÒ Eò½þÉ ÊEò EªÉÉäÆÊEò +¦ÉÒ Uô& ÊnùºÉ¨¤É®ú ¤ÉÒiÉÉ ½þè, +ÉVÉ 16 iÉÉ®úÒJÉ ½þè, Uô& ÊnùºÉ¨¤É®ú EòÉä 2-3 ]õä±ÉÒ´ÉÒVÉxÉ Eòä EòÉä®úäº{ÉÉäÆb÷äÆ]ºÉ ¨Éä®úä {ÉÉºÉ +ɪÉä* =x½þÉäÆxÉä +ÉEò®ú Eò½þÉ ÊEò +ÉVÉ 6 ÊnùºÉ¨¤É®ú ½þè, +ÉVÉ ºÉä Uô& ºÉÉ±É {ɽþ±Éä 6 ÊnùºÉ¨¤É®ú EòÉä VÉÉä ½þÖ+É lÉÉ =ºÉ {É®ú ½þ¨É +É{ɺÉä +É{ÉEòÒ |ÉÊiÉÊFòªÉÉ VÉÉxÉxÉÉ SÉɽþiÉä ½þèÆ* ºÉÉvÉÉ®úhÉiÉ& ¨ÉèÆ <ºÉ Ê´É¹ÉªÉ {É®ú Ê{ÉUô±Éä ºÉÉiÉ-+É`ö ¨É½þÒxÉÉäÆ ¨ÉäÆ EòÖUô xɽþÒÆ ¤ÉÉä±ÉÉ* =ºÉ ÊnùxÉ SÉÚÆÊEò 6 ÊnùºÉ¨¤É®ú lÉÉ, =x½þÉäÆxÉä ºÉ´ÉÉ±É {ÉÚUôÉ +Éè®ú ¨ÉèÆ Eò½þiÉÉ ÊEò ¨ÉÖZÉä EòÖUô xɽþÒÆ Eò½þxÉÉ iÉÉä ¶ÉɪÉnù ´Éä EòÖUô MɱÉiÉ +lÉÇ ºÉ¨ÉZÉiÉä* ¨ÉèÆxÉä Eò½þÉ ÊEò ´É½þ nùÖ¦ÉÉÇMªÉ{ÉÚhÉÇ PÉ]õxÉÉ lÉÒ, xɽþÒÆ ½þÉäxÉÒ SÉÉʽþB lÉÒ* =ºÉ PÉ]õxÉÉ Eòä EòÉ®úhÉ ¨Éä®úÒ {ÉÉ]õÒÇ EòÉä ¨Éä®úä EòÉìWÉ EòÉä vÉEEòÉ ±ÉMÉÉ, ¨ÉÖZÉä ´ªÉÊEiÉMÉiÉ °ü{É ºÉä ¦ÉÒ vÉEEòÉ ±ÉMÉÉ* =ºÉEòä ¤ÉÉnù +ÉÊ®ú¡ò ºÉɽþ¤É xÉä +{ÉxÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ ¨ÉäÆ =ºÉEòÉä Eò½þÉ +Éè®ú º´ÉÉMÉiÉ ÊEòªÉÉ* ºÉÉlÉ ½þÒ ªÉ½þ ¦ÉÒ Eò½þÉ ÊEò +MÉ®ú +Éb÷´ÉÉhÉÒ VÉÒ xÉä Uô& ºÉÉ±É {ɽþ±Éä ªÉ½þ ¤ÉÉiÉ Eò½þÒ ½þÉäiÉÒ iÉÉä ½þÉä ºÉEòiÉÉ ½þè =ºÉ PÉ]õxÉÉ Eòä ¤ÉÉnù VÉÉä ¤ÉÉiÉäÆ ½þÖ<ÇÆ, ´Éä xÉ ½þÉäiÉÒÆ* This is what Shri Arif Mohammad Khan has said. Am I right?

PROF. P.J. KURIEN (MAVELIKARA): Mr. Speaker, Sir...(Interruptions)
SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I am not talking about you.
PROF. P.J. KURIEN : Sir, we have always said that India is one nation; only culture is pluralistic. That is all. I do not think anybody here says it is multinational. Nobody from this side says that.
SHRI L.K. ADVANI: If you want, I can quote to you the memorandum submitted by the CPI(M) to the Sarkaria Commission. I do not want to do it now. This is not the occasion. But they have, in that memorandum...(Interruptions)
SHRI P. SHIV SHANKER (TENALI): The proper expression could be `different facets'.
SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I know that. I am aware of it - different facets. But when I say `one culture', there is nothing wrong about it. ½þ¨É 1947 ¨ÉäÆ +ÉVÉÉnù ½þÖB lÉä +Éè®ú +ÉVÉ ´É¹ÉÇ 1998 ½þè* ¨ÉèÆ xɽþÒÆ VÉÉxÉiÉÉ ÊEò Eò¤É ªÉ½þÉÆ ±ÉÉäEò ºÉ¦ÉÉ xÉä ¤Éè`öxÉÉ ¶ÉÖ°ü ÊEòªÉÉ EªÉÉäÆÊEò EòÉƺ]õÒ]õÚBÆ]õ +ºÉ䨤ɱÉÒ iÉÉä ´É½þÉÆ ¤Éè`öiÉÒ lÉÒ, ±ÉÉäEò ºÉ¦ÉÉ ¶ÉɪÉnù ªÉ½þÉÆ ¤Éè`öiÉÒ ½þÉä* ±ÉÉäEò ºÉ¦ÉÉ ¨ÉäÆ ªÉ½þ "vɨÉÇ-SÉFò-|É´ÉiÉÇxÉɪÉ" Eò¤É ʱÉJÉÉ MɪÉÉ, <ºÉEòÉ ¨ÉÖZÉä {ÉiÉÉ xɽþÒÆ ½þè* ¶ÉɪÉnù 1947-48 ¨ÉäÆ Ê±ÉJÉÉ MɪÉÉ ½þÉäMÉÉ* +ÉVÉ +MÉ®ú ½þ¨É ¤Éè`öiÉä +Éè®ú º{ÉÒEò®ú ºÉɽþ¤É ªÉÉ |ÉÉ<¨É-ʨÉÊxɺ]õ®ú ºÉɽþ¤É Eò½þiÉä ÊEò ªÉ½þÉÆ {É®ú "vɨÉÇ-SÉFò-|É´ÉiÉÇxÉɪÉ" ʱÉJÉ´ÉÉ+Éä iÉÉä =ºÉÒ |ÉEòÉ®ú EòÉ Ê´É®úÉävÉ ½þÉäiÉÉ VÉèºÉÉ Ê´É®úÉävÉ +ÉVÉ ºÉƺEÞòiÉ EòÉ ½þÖ+É ½þè, ´ÉÆnùä-¨ÉÉiÉ®ú¨ EòÉ ½þÖ+É ½þè* ¨ÉÖZÉä VÉ¤É {ÉiÉÉ ±ÉMÉÉ ÊEò ´É½þÉÆ <ºÉä Eò¨{±ÉºÉ®úÒ ÊEòªÉÉ VÉÉ ®ú½þÉ ½þè iÉÉä ¨ÉèÆxÉä ´É½þÉÆ Eòä ¨ÉÖJªÉ¨ÉÆjÉÒ EòÉä Eò½þÉ ÊEò <ºÉä Eò¨{±ÉºÉ®úÒ Eò®úxÉä EòÒ Vɯû®úiÉ xɽþÒÆ ½þè* ±ÉäÊEòxÉ =ºÉEòÉ ¨ÉiÉ±É¤É ªÉ½þ xɽþÒÆ ½þè ÊEò ´ÉÆnùä-¨ÉÉiÉ®ú¨ Eò½þÒÆ ½þÉäMÉÉ iÉÉä EòÉä<Ç =ºÉEòÉ Ê´É®úÉävÉ Eò®úäMÉÉ +Éè®ú Eò½þäMÉÉ ÊEò ¨ÉèÆ ºEòÚ±É ºÉä +{ÉxÉä ¤ÉSSÉÉäÆ EòÉä ½þ]õÉ ±ÉÚÆMÉÉ* +ÉVÉ ºÉnùxÉ ¨ÉäÆ `´ÉÆnùä ¨ÉÉiÉ®ú¨' MÉɪÉÉ VÉÉiÉÉ ½þè* ½þ®ú ºÉè¶ÉxÉ `VÉxÉ MÉhÉ ¨ÉxÉ' ºÉä ¶ÉÖ¯û ½þÉäiÉÉ ½þè +Éè®ú ½þ®ú ºÉè¶ÉxÉ `´ÉÆnùä ¨ÉÉiÉ®ú¨' ºÉä ºÉ¨ÉÉ{iÉ ½þÉäiÉÉ ½þè* EªÉÉ <ºÉEòä Ê´É®úÉävÉ ¨ÉäÆ ºÉnùºªÉ ÊxÉEò±É Eò®ú SɱÉä VÉÉBÆMÉä? <xÉ nùÉäxÉÉäÆ ¤ÉÉiÉÉäÆ ¨ÉäÆ +xiÉ®ú ºÉ¨ÉÊZÉB* Eò¨{ɱɶÉxÉ Eò®úxÉÉ BEò SÉÒVÉ ½þè +Éè®ú <ºÉEòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ ¨ÉèÆxÉä +{ÉxÉÒ ®úÉªÉ ¤ÉiÉɪÉÒ ½þè* ... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) |ÉÉä. ºÉè¢òÖqÒxÉ ºÉÉäWÉ : Ê´É®úÉävÉ +±ÉMÉ SÉÒVÉ ½þè ±ÉäÊEòxÉ +É{É <ºÉä Eò¨{ɱɺɮúÒ xɽþÒÆ Eò®ú ºÉEòiÉä ½þèÆ* ... (´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Let me recall that this matter was discussed at considerable length in the Constituent Assembly. `´Éxnùä ¨ÉÉiÉ®ú¨' Eòä <¶ÉÚ Eòä ¤ÉÉ®úä ¨ÉäÆ EòÉ¡òÒ Êb÷ºÉEò¶ÉxÉ ½þÖ+É* =ºÉ ºÉ¨ÉªÉ ¦ÉÒ EòÖUô ±ÉÉäMÉÉäÆ xÉä Eò½þÉ lÉÉ ÊEò `´ÉÆnùä ¨ÉÉiÉ®ú¨' xɽþÒÆ ½þÉäxÉÉ SÉÉʽþB* ºÉ¤É ºÉä SÉSÉÉÇ Eò®úxÉä Eòä ¤ÉÉnù iÉªÉ ½þÖ+É ÊEò xÉä¶ÉxÉ±É BäÆlÉ¨É `VÉxÉ MÉhÉ ¨ÉxÉ' EòÉä Eò®úiÉä ½þèÆ* ªÉ½þ nùÉäxÉÉäÆ Eòä ¤ÉÒSÉ lÉÉ* I will read out from the Constituent Assembly debates. I would read what President Dr. Rajendra Prasad had said on the 24th January, 1950. 26 VÉxÉ´É®úÒ EòÉä ¡òÉì¨ÉDZÉÒ ºÉÆÊ´ÉvÉÉxÉ <¨{ɱÉÒ¨ÉèÆ]õ ½þÉä MɪÉÉ* It was the last day of the Session and everything had been settled. The President said:

but not our opinion...(Interruptions)

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: It may be. But I am not yielding...(Interruptions) Let me complete it...(Interruptions) Yes, you can disagree with Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru. But, I am sure, our friends sitting opposite cannot disagree with Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru...(Interruptions)

issue...(Interruptions)

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: It is because Shri Sangma belongs to the Congress...(Interruptions) I am not yielding...(Interruptions)

17.00 hrs. This conception of Bharat as one great land, which the people considered a holy land, has come down the ages and has joined us together. Even though we have had different political kingdoms, and even though we may speak different languages, this silken bond still keeps us together in many ways. PROF. P.J. KURIEN : Panditji also said unity in diversity.